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good evening ladies and gentlemen

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welcome to the program i am your host

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chris george the birthday man zuger

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and uh to my right across the table is

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big sexy alex

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we call him big sexy because the ladies

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love him

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say hello alex how you doing and he

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hates it maybe he does hate it but

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the fans love it this is why we do it

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every single week and it makes you smile

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so why not

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uh you've reached the den of lore and

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please do pull your chairs up to the

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fire grab your glasses of scotch and do

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join us in learning some very cool [\h__\h]

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courtesy of uh scott crichton uh we're

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going to be talking the pyramid hoax

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here on episode 33

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it is the 13th of april 2017 and it is

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my birthday episode

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happy birthday to me

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this is what i got this is where i got

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the 14-year scotch

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scotty and i might sing you happy

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birthday oh please do not send me happy

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birthday i actually have a birthday song

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on here i think i may have a birthday

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song on here

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so uh please do subscribe to the channel

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who listens to the show and we've got

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thousands of listeners around the world

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we could do this five days a week

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instead of just once a week and uh you

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know i know alex would be very happy to

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be on the air with that very sexy voice

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of his

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please do support the show

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i know that we have uh uh quite a few

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supporters who have been

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and i just wanted people to read their

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names out

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doug keenan being one of them who is one

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sponsors and thank you very much for

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and most of all i would also like to be

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how's your spring going oh my my

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screen's going not too bad

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but uh just trying to be able to bring

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up names here you know i should actually

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write this down instead of trying to use

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we'll circle back to that we'll circle

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back you know elementary thank you very

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much for all of your love and your

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support over the last couple of weeks

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you are one of our most valuable one of

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our valued listeners and one of the

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people we like the most because well you

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are awesome in here every single week in

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the chat room and

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and uh yes you're in there right now

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thank you very much ellen for the happy

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birthday uh wishes

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uh now i'm going to invite our

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guest onto the air

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i know that we have been talking over

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skype while we've been doing sound sound

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check and i'm very happy to say that our

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sound is actually working today

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and now we've got the studio set up so

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i'm just going to switch over here

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hello ladies and gentlemen we're still

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working out the camera situation

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although i think we've got one that

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actually works now uh scott crichton is

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um somebody we've been actually trying

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to get on the show for a quite a while

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because well he is that awesome uh scott

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crichton uh well he's an engineer

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who has extensively traveled and that's

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allowed him to explore many of the

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world's ancient sacred sites uh the host

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of the uh he's also the host of the

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alternative egyptology forum on above

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secret topsecret.com

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and he lives in glasgow scotland now

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i've been to um above topsecret.com a

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lot of the times one of my favorite

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websites and knowing that he runs that

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that particular form

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go check it out uh tons of information

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on there now speaking before before we

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we start the program just to be able to

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here uh you know that since we're

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series is based off his research and as

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scott crichton welcome to the show how

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are you doing today

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i'm doing very well chris it's uh good

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to be talking to you and before we

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continue i should say

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many happy returns to you on your

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birthday today well again thank you very

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much i i was um when we booked booked

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you for the show and i'm like like oh we

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get to have scott creighton on my

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birthday like yes this is going to be

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uh it is an honor and i just i just wish

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i had a bottle of scotch to share it

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with you what

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oh well ah man well that's that's fine i

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will drink i will drink to your health

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as well as tomorrow i'll just cheers

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we've got a good 14-year space side

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well that's very nice very nice well i

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was gonna go with the 15-year but the

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extra you know

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to give a quick shout out to kevin

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uh who is one of our supporters who did

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support us this week and again kevin and

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girlfriend thank you very much um as

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well and also for everybody who is

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tuning in right now and who's in the

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chat yes we are going to be having a

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denver michael sandwich update at the

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end of the show and we'll

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with scott we'll just we'll explain the

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entire the entire contest again

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i digress

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so welcome into the den of lore um

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it's an absolute pleasure to have you in

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an honor and a privilege to be talking

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with you i know it is an ungodly hour up

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there so i do hope you have your your

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kappa uh handy

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and we'll we'll just jump right in um

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the pyramid

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hoax give us a quick overview because

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i've read the book i've listened to a

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bunch of the podcasts out there uh where

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give give the the people who may not

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have heard about it a quick overview

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well the great pyramid folks

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fairly obscure corner of orthodox

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marks these painted marks that were

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discovered in the great pyramid inside

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some hidden chambers of the great

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pyramid in 1837 by a chap called a

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the great pyramid was the the tomb of

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khufu that was built by the pharaoh

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historians um such as herodotus the

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greek historian herodotus um the um

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writings have come down to us um that

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the great pyramid was the tomb and was

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real hard physical evidence that

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the great pyramid with this king with

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um the pharaoh khufu

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hidden chambers of the great pyramid in

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the pharaoh's name the feral khufu

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of these hidden chambers deep inside the

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great pyramid and these marks

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um are the only hard physical pieces of

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evidence that we have that connects the

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great pyramid to this ancient king and

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also because it connects the great

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to this particular king kufu

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particular king because egyptologists

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they were able through

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a construction of what's known as the

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king lists you know they've got a whole

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line of kings that they've managed to

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all the way back throughout

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you know the entire history of ancient

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egypt so they know when this guy kufu

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lived and so by knowing that they're

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basically saying that well because we

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have found this cartouche

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deep inside this hidden chamber

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was 2500 bc so that's the age of the

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pyramid

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and that essentially um is how you know

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that they have come to connect the great

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pyramid

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you know with hard physical evidence and

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as i said this this piece of evidence is

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the you know it's like the holy grail

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piece of evidence for mainstream

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egyptology to assert that the great

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pyramid was built by this king four and

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a half thousand years ago um

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american egyptologist uh what's his name

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um dr mark leonard you've probably heard

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of him um he's um

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you've been studying um at giza you know

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the great pyramid for for about 25 30

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years something like that now he

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basically refers to these particular

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markings that were discovered by howard

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vice as um you know the clinching piece

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of evidence that allows egyptology to

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basically maintain that this guy this

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king kufu

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built the pyramid four and a half

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thousand years ago so that's the

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importance

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of these marks it's their only hard

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evidence that

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you know this you know king kufu built

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the pyramid as per you know the the

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writings of herodotus

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my book the great pyramid hoax basically

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analyzes these markings that this howard

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vice discovered allegedly in 1837

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and shows

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well pretty much um as far as i'm

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concerned provides

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very very strong evidence that her

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advice himself in fact faked those marks

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and that's what

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the great pyramid hoax presents it

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presents all the evidence that i have

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uncovered that essentially showed that

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these mark marks were faked in 1837 by

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colonel howard weiss

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okay

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and for for all those who who are

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listening to the show again if if you

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want to be able to to learn about the

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book

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kindle as well as in hard copy uh we do

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have a link in the show notes so you can

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check that out um i've got my copy it's

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uh going to be required reading when i'm

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up in my in-laws this weekend i can tell

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you that much um i've already already

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cracked it and cracked most of it and

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i'm gonna be reading it again

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it's fantastic very well researched um

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now when it comes to colonel weiss i i

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know that

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the the big thing is with him

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that

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it can go one of two ways there was the

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idea that he had

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uh

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but at the same time he was kind of an

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egomaniac when it came to

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a lot of his his um uh wanting to

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research egypt is that correct

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well um

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colonel vice he certainly was uh he was

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a very wealthy man chris and in his own

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right um he was actually from the

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the sort of what we would call over here

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in britain the the ruling class the

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elite of society of of his time in

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1837 you know his his ancestry was you

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know very much

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linked into the the british aristocracy

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he was linked to like the

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duke of cumberland and the duke of

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norfolk you know so and and

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uh his name howard um goes all the way

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back to um katherine howard who was one

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of the wives of henry viii of england

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you know so you know he's very much um

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you know from the the establishment um

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the ruling elite of of the time a very

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wealthy man um but i have to say as a i

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mentioned briefly earlier that he he was

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part of the the british military he was

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a colonel in the british army and very

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much um what would say here in scotland

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it was a a pretty doer character you

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know a man of um you know

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a disciplinarian a strict disciplinarian

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with with very very little humor

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um what we would call a military

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martinet so that's the kind of um

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character that that how advice actually

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was um you know from from what you know

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the information that's that's come down

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to us

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um

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but you know

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he also

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was a man who believed in

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the literal truth

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of the bible we

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read in his um published account for

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example that you know he talks about the

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the flood you know the biblical flood

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you know and he writes about it as

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though it was uh you know a matter of

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you know actual fact you know he

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genuinely believed that as i you know a

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lot of people in the world even today do

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believe these things i'm not saying

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there's anything wrong in that at all

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i'm just pointing out what colonel weiss

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believed um when when you know he was

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alive

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so

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he

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uh which and his and you know this is a

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time before darwin's origin of species

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you know so um we're living in a time in

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1837 you know when the church pretty

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much

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um

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you know controlled much of everyday

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life for a lot of people

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and vice

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you know as i said he was very much a

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religious man and probably believed in

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the biblical creation which becomes you

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know

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in my opinion it becomes part of um

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possibly part of his motive um for

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perpetrating this fraud which

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you know we can touch on later but

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you know in terms of um

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his background you know he he also was

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an mp a member of parliament for

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the british parliament um and his

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you know early part of his life i think

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it was in 1807 he was elected to the

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british parliament but i have to say his

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his methods

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for being elected to the british

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parliament were pretty underhanded

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he um

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basically

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bribed his way

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into the british parliament by um paying

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a lot of the the voters and his

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constituency um

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you know

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fairly substantial sums of money to

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become an mp we here in ontario deal

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with that now it's it's called tax

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breaks around election time

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you know

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but in britain at that time it has to be

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said you know

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that there were a lot of what we call um

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you know there were a lot of corrupt um

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sort of uh

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constituencies um

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at that time what we'd call rotten

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boroughs

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and

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a lot of this this sort of thing did go

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on but you know there were there were

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acts of parliament which which made it

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illegal you know

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it was illegal but nevertheless vice

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perpetrated it anyway um in order to get

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himself into parliament and there was an

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investigation at the time as well um one

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of the the chaps that howard vice

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defeated in one of his early election

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campaigns and mr staples he complained

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to parliament and it was investigated

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now for vice

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to get through that investigation um you

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know without um

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you know losing his seat he would have

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basically had to have lied to the

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investigating committee that um you know

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he had anything to do with um

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you know corruption and to win the seat

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but we do know because we've got

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evidence that's come down to us since

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then we know since because

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various diaries have been found which

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show

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exactly how much how advice paid to

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particular individuals um during his

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election campaign you know so this guy

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wasn't a guy basically what i'm saying

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here chris is her advice wasn't a guy

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that we could say was whiter than white

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you know he had a few um skeletons um in

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his cupboard and in terms of fraud and

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even when he was at giza much later in

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his life

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other people

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at giza were accusing them of unsavory

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um activities uh if i can put it like

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that you know so

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um

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it was a guy

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um you know that uh

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basically seemed to attract scandal and

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whatever sort of um walk of life that he

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he cared to enter into

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what kind of other accusations

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were made on the gentleman out of egypt

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any any come to mind or

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well um there was um an accusation um

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we don't actually know for certain um

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the source of this particular accusation

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but basically said that um

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colonel vice and essentially his boss

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colonel patrick campbell

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were planning to make their fortunes

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by

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pretending to do scientific studies at

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um the giza

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you know plateau within the giza

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pyramids um i think an implication being

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that they were essentially using these

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scientific studies to to sell artifacts

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and so forth and so on um to make um to

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make their fortune um you know so

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there's that accusation um that

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vice himself actually writes about in in

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his own book you know so

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um there's also accusations that um he

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basically stole

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um you know someone else's discovery or

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i suppose a better word has usurped

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someone else's discoveries at giza

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um a chat an italian explorer called um

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caviglia

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he basically

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or he supposedly claims to have

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discovered these hidden chambers and

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told vice about them before

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vice actually discovered them but vice

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basically in his book his version argues

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you know a different story so there's a

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bit of um you know a discrepancy there

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and a difference of opinion there

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between this guy capitalia and vice you

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know so as i said it just seemed that

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wherever

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colonel vice went he always attracted

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them

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or always seemed to attract scandal of

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of of some form or another i mean you

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know um so that's

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just um i suppose um

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the nature of the beast i guess if you

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could write history you could make a lot

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of money selling artifacts right

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yeah

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now i thought that um that uh

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i was about to say caligula

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coviglia i thought that he had at least

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the the common i'm going to say common

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knowledge the the mainstream archaeology

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or mainstream history states that he

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blasted on on the south side of the

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stress-relieving chambers and kind of

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gave up

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and that was like apparently the opening

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that vice had suspected that there was

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something else now you're essentially

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what you're saying is that

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it's a possibility that since they were

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kind of there almost around the same

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time that

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caviglia would have told him that i

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think something's there and he just went

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around and said [\h__\h] it we're just gonna

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blast it open ourselves and and get the

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glory is is that about right

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well

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it's it's kind of difficult to say

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exactly because the you know um vice

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says one thing and caviglia says another

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um kavigler's um story is essentially

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that um

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kaviglia was there at giza long before

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vice arrived and had been for a number

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of years

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and he at one time he was actually um

563
00:22:04,310 --> 00:22:02,320
living inside the great pyramid um

564
00:22:06,630 --> 00:22:04,320
within these chambers that vice

565
00:22:08,390 --> 00:22:06,640
eventually opened up there was a chamber

566
00:22:09,830 --> 00:22:08,400
called davidson's chamber this was

567
00:22:11,750 --> 00:22:09,840
discovered by

568
00:22:13,669 --> 00:22:11,760
um the british

569
00:22:17,110 --> 00:22:13,679
attached to

570
00:22:20,149 --> 00:22:17,120
egypt um a chap called nathaniel

571
00:22:23,029 --> 00:22:20,159
davidson and it was discovered about 70

572
00:22:24,830 --> 00:22:23,039
years before either caviglier or vice

573
00:22:26,870 --> 00:22:24,840
where at

574
00:22:29,830 --> 00:22:26,880
giza and

575
00:22:32,149 --> 00:22:29,840
in the in the this chambers the the

576
00:22:34,549 --> 00:22:32,159
there's five of these chambers in total

577
00:22:36,870 --> 00:22:34,559
and these chambers they sit above the

578
00:22:38,870 --> 00:22:36,880
king's chamber just in case your list

579
00:22:40,630 --> 00:22:38,880
your listeners aren't aware of where

580
00:22:43,270 --> 00:22:40,640
these chambers are within the great

581
00:22:44,870 --> 00:22:43,280
pyramid these are small chambers you can

582
00:22:47,029 --> 00:22:44,880
barely stand up in them they're only

583
00:22:49,590 --> 00:22:47,039
about three feet three and a half feet

584
00:22:51,750 --> 00:22:49,600
high so you can barely stand up in these

585
00:22:54,789 --> 00:22:51,760
chambers but they're about 30 feet long

586
00:22:57,430 --> 00:22:54,799
by about 20 feet wide and

587
00:22:59,669 --> 00:22:57,440
there's a series of five of them

588
00:23:00,870 --> 00:22:59,679
now the very first one above the king's

589
00:23:05,110 --> 00:23:00,880
chamber

590
00:23:07,510 --> 00:23:05,120
was discovered 70 years ago and

591
00:23:08,390 --> 00:23:07,520
apparently caviglia he lived in that

592
00:23:11,110 --> 00:23:08,400
chamber

593
00:23:13,590 --> 00:23:11,120
for for you know during other research

594
00:23:17,750 --> 00:23:13,600
work he was doing um within the great

595
00:23:20,230 --> 00:23:17,760
pyramid and his story is that um

596
00:23:23,190 --> 00:23:20,240
he pushed uh

597
00:23:26,390 --> 00:23:23,200
um you know use using a candle he pushed

598
00:23:28,710 --> 00:23:26,400
a i think it was a uh

599
00:23:30,710 --> 00:23:28,720
you know stalk of grass or

600
00:23:33,110 --> 00:23:30,720
something fairly long

601
00:23:35,830 --> 00:23:33,120
through a crack and and the roof above

602
00:23:37,750 --> 00:23:35,840
above his head in this chamber and using

603
00:23:39,830 --> 00:23:37,760
a candle he could actually see through

604
00:23:41,350 --> 00:23:39,840
this crack that there was another

605
00:23:43,270 --> 00:23:41,360
chamber above

606
00:23:43,990 --> 00:23:43,280
the one that he was in

607
00:23:46,549 --> 00:23:44,000
but

608
00:23:49,190 --> 00:23:46,559
there was no there was no means

609
00:23:52,310 --> 00:23:49,200
to actually gain access to this chamber

610
00:23:53,110 --> 00:23:52,320
and apparently kiviglia told vice about

611
00:23:54,390 --> 00:23:53,120
this

612
00:23:55,590 --> 00:23:54,400
and

613
00:23:58,710 --> 00:23:55,600
what we know

614
00:24:02,230 --> 00:23:58,720
as fact from that is that for one reason

615
00:24:05,590 --> 00:24:02,240
or another cavigla ended up off the site

616
00:24:08,710 --> 00:24:05,600
um essentially um by vice

617
00:24:11,510 --> 00:24:08,720
he seems to have basically um

618
00:24:13,350 --> 00:24:11,520
been engineered off the site

619
00:24:16,789 --> 00:24:13,360
from from what i can see

620
00:24:20,149 --> 00:24:16,799
my interpretation of it um it looks to

621
00:24:23,110 --> 00:24:20,159
me as though caviglia was engineered off

622
00:24:25,990 --> 00:24:23,120
the site um by colonel vice even

623
00:24:28,310 --> 00:24:26,000
although the the furman

624
00:24:31,269 --> 00:24:28,320
um that was that's the the furman's

625
00:24:32,710 --> 00:24:31,279
basically the permit to explore and the

626
00:24:34,390 --> 00:24:32,720
pyramid was actually made out in

627
00:24:35,510 --> 00:24:34,400
kaviglia's name

628
00:24:42,470 --> 00:24:35,520
um

629
00:24:45,909 --> 00:24:42,480
behind that but the the end of the day

630
00:24:48,710 --> 00:24:45,919
kaviglia ended up off the site at the

631
00:24:50,310 --> 00:24:48,720
behest of colonel vice

632
00:24:51,110 --> 00:24:50,320
you know so you have to ask yourself

633
00:24:52,390 --> 00:24:51,120
well

634
00:24:57,029 --> 00:24:52,400
you know

635
00:24:59,110 --> 00:24:57,039
open be wanted to be the one to open

636
00:25:02,070 --> 00:24:59,120
these chambers up

637
00:25:05,029 --> 00:25:02,080
um basically claimed the the the glory

638
00:25:07,029 --> 00:25:05,039
um of of doing that because he thought

639
00:25:09,269 --> 00:25:07,039
that within these chambers he would

640
00:25:10,710 --> 00:25:09,279
probably discover

641
00:25:13,110 --> 00:25:10,720
the the

642
00:25:14,630 --> 00:25:13,120
real tomb of the pharaoh khufu because

643
00:25:17,350 --> 00:25:14,640
remember

644
00:25:19,190 --> 00:25:17,360
they had never found you know a body and

645
00:25:20,630 --> 00:25:19,200
they act or what is believed to be the

646
00:25:23,750 --> 00:25:20,640
sarcophagus

647
00:25:27,510 --> 00:25:23,760
inside the king's chamber so some people

648
00:25:29,350 --> 00:25:27,520
assumed that the true sarcophagus was in

649
00:25:33,269 --> 00:25:29,360
some secret chamber elsewhere in the

650
00:25:35,110 --> 00:25:33,279
pyramid and vice probably thought that

651
00:25:37,350 --> 00:25:35,120
it was the one right above his head and

652
00:25:39,350 --> 00:25:37,360
so he basically engineered them

653
00:25:41,590 --> 00:25:39,360
convigley off the site made sure that he

654
00:25:44,310 --> 00:25:41,600
got to open that chamber plus all the

655
00:25:46,630 --> 00:25:44,320
others above it that that he discovered

656
00:25:50,070 --> 00:25:46,640
and the hope that and one of them was

657
00:25:51,590 --> 00:25:50,080
the the actual burial of khufu

658
00:25:53,190 --> 00:25:51,600
well i guess that was kind of a rude

659
00:25:54,870 --> 00:25:53,200
surprise where it's like we're gonna

660
00:25:57,029 --> 00:25:54,880
blow this one open oh no it's another

661
00:25:58,470 --> 00:25:57,039
three foot tall chamber hey look there's

662
00:26:00,549 --> 00:25:58,480
another one above it let's blow that one

663
00:26:02,149 --> 00:26:00,559
open oh nope sorry that's it's just

664
00:26:03,269 --> 00:26:02,159
another small chamber

665
00:26:06,470 --> 00:26:03,279
down

666
00:26:07,669 --> 00:26:06,480
well it's as one it goes to um chris it

667
00:26:10,950 --> 00:26:07,679
goes to

668
00:26:13,590 --> 00:26:10,960
vice's um motive i suppose here

669
00:26:14,870 --> 00:26:13,600
um because you know he

670
00:26:17,190 --> 00:26:14,880
was

671
00:26:18,950 --> 00:26:17,200
you know if you read his book you find

672
00:26:21,830 --> 00:26:18,960
that he was desperate

673
00:26:24,549 --> 00:26:21,840
almost or very very keen

674
00:26:27,430 --> 00:26:24,559
to make an important discovery you know

675
00:26:29,990 --> 00:26:27,440
so this this probably goes to his motive

676
00:26:32,710 --> 00:26:30,000
or part of the motive for doing what he

677
00:26:36,230 --> 00:26:32,720
did ultimately is that he was very very

678
00:26:39,590 --> 00:26:36,240
keen to make an important discovery and

679
00:26:42,390 --> 00:26:39,600
a discovery would be something like um

680
00:26:43,909 --> 00:26:42,400
you know finding the actual burial of

681
00:26:45,590 --> 00:26:43,919
khufu that would have been

682
00:26:49,750 --> 00:26:45,600
you know

683
00:26:52,710 --> 00:26:49,760
would he would

684
00:26:55,110 --> 00:26:52,720
his name would go down in history if he

685
00:26:57,669 --> 00:26:55,120
had actually um discovered that but we

686
00:26:59,110 --> 00:26:57,679
also know that um

687
00:27:00,230 --> 00:26:59,120
vice knew

688
00:27:03,269 --> 00:27:00,240
from his

689
00:27:06,310 --> 00:27:03,279
his meanderings and his explorations

690
00:27:08,310 --> 00:27:06,320
around the giza plateau that

691
00:27:09,909 --> 00:27:08,320
a cartouche

692
00:27:11,110 --> 00:27:09,919
would allow

693
00:27:13,510 --> 00:27:11,120
you know

694
00:27:16,390 --> 00:27:13,520
ancient monuments ancient ruins to be

695
00:27:18,950 --> 00:27:16,400
dated if a cartouche could be found

696
00:27:20,470 --> 00:27:18,960
you know upon those monuments um you

697
00:27:22,470 --> 00:27:20,480
know he he

698
00:27:25,029 --> 00:27:22,480
was walking one day across the giza

699
00:27:27,430 --> 00:27:25,039
plateau and there's these ancient ruins

700
00:27:29,510 --> 00:27:27,440
under his feet and he comments in his

701
00:27:31,750 --> 00:27:29,520
book about those particular runes and

702
00:27:33,590 --> 00:27:31,760
whether a cartouche might be found on

703
00:27:35,669 --> 00:27:33,600
them that would help to date them well

704
00:27:37,350 --> 00:27:35,679
you know if we extend that idea but he

705
00:27:39,590 --> 00:27:37,360
would have thought the very same thing

706
00:27:41,750 --> 00:27:39,600
for the pyramids themselves so finding a

707
00:27:44,950 --> 00:27:41,760
cartouche as well would have been very

708
00:27:46,870 --> 00:27:44,960
important to uh for for colonel vice

709
00:27:49,990 --> 00:27:46,880
because he knew that finding that

710
00:27:51,909 --> 00:27:50,000
cartouche would help to date not all not

711
00:27:54,470 --> 00:27:51,919
any you know

712
00:27:56,950 --> 00:27:54,480
it would help to date any

713
00:27:58,549 --> 00:27:56,960
construction including um the great

714
00:28:01,190 --> 00:27:58,559
pyramid you know so that would have been

715
00:28:03,269 --> 00:28:01,200
another important discovery if if only

716
00:28:04,230 --> 00:28:03,279
he could find it you know so he was he

717
00:28:06,710 --> 00:28:04,240
was

718
00:28:08,230 --> 00:28:06,720
clearly motivated to make

719
00:28:10,630 --> 00:28:08,240
an important discovery because there

720
00:28:12,630 --> 00:28:10,640
were other explorers

721
00:28:15,510 --> 00:28:12,640
in egypt at that time at giza and

722
00:28:18,070 --> 00:28:15,520
elsewhere in egypt that were discovering

723
00:28:20,470 --> 00:28:18,080
um or making all sorts of um

724
00:28:22,789 --> 00:28:20,480
important discoveries and right although

725
00:28:25,430 --> 00:28:22,799
he was finding some things that he was

726
00:28:27,830 --> 00:28:25,440
sending back to the british museum he

727
00:28:29,510 --> 00:28:27,840
wasn't making a major discovery

728
00:28:31,510 --> 00:28:29,520
and you know there's a bit of pride and

729
00:28:32,630 --> 00:28:31,520
prestige involved scott we're getting

730
00:28:34,070 --> 00:28:32,640
bringing getting a little bit of

731
00:28:37,190 --> 00:28:34,080
distortion on your end i'm not sure if

732
00:28:38,070 --> 00:28:37,200
that's um bandwidth or not but uh

733
00:28:41,830 --> 00:28:38,080
uh

734
00:28:43,190 --> 00:28:41,840
second we'll see if it's on our side or

735
00:28:45,830 --> 00:28:43,200
your side

736
00:28:49,669 --> 00:28:45,840
okay well there we go uh we're good

737
00:28:51,430 --> 00:28:49,679
yeah we're good okay um so so

738
00:28:52,310 --> 00:28:51,440
basic basically you know i'm saying that

739
00:28:55,430 --> 00:28:52,320
vice

740
00:28:56,870 --> 00:28:55,440
you know he's he's um in these chambers

741
00:28:59,909 --> 00:28:56,880
he's wanting to make an important

742
00:29:03,110 --> 00:28:59,919
discovery either the the

743
00:29:05,669 --> 00:29:03,120
actual burial place of khufu

744
00:29:07,909 --> 00:29:05,679
that would have been a major discovery

745
00:29:10,310 --> 00:29:07,919
or if we could find a cartouche that

746
00:29:12,149 --> 00:29:10,320
would help um to date

747
00:29:14,389 --> 00:29:12,159
uh the great pyramid and also to

748
00:29:17,590 --> 00:29:14,399
identify its builder would be have been

749
00:29:19,830 --> 00:29:17,600
to vice just as equally bigger discovery

750
00:29:21,029 --> 00:29:19,840
so you know these are these are the

751
00:29:24,230 --> 00:29:21,039
motivations

752
00:29:27,029 --> 00:29:24,240
you know he's trying to um

753
00:29:28,310 --> 00:29:27,039
you know to you know for the prestige of

754
00:29:29,750 --> 00:29:28,320
britain

755
00:29:31,990 --> 00:29:29,760
you know there's a lot of pride and

756
00:29:33,830 --> 00:29:32,000
prestige involved here as well not to

757
00:29:36,389 --> 00:29:33,840
mention actually the

758
00:29:39,510 --> 00:29:36,399
the small fact that he'd spent something

759
00:29:41,909 --> 00:29:39,520
in the order of ten thousand pounds

760
00:29:44,149 --> 00:29:41,919
that's british pounds of his own you

761
00:29:46,549 --> 00:29:44,159
know his own family fortune

762
00:29:47,430 --> 00:29:46,559
you know and excavating these pyramids

763
00:29:49,990 --> 00:29:47,440
now

764
00:29:53,269 --> 00:29:50,000
that works out today chris somewhere in

765
00:29:55,990 --> 00:29:53,279
the order of 1.3 million dollars in

766
00:29:58,950 --> 00:29:56,000
today's monetary terms you know so

767
00:30:01,510 --> 00:29:58,960
that's an awful lot of money to invest

768
00:30:04,710 --> 00:30:01,520
in a project and come away empty-handed

769
00:30:06,389 --> 00:30:04,720
you know so they're again you know your

770
00:30:08,950 --> 00:30:06,399
vice is going to make sure he doesn't

771
00:30:12,870 --> 00:30:08,960
come away empty-handed having invested

772
00:30:15,029 --> 00:30:12,880
that amount of money in the project

773
00:30:17,269 --> 00:30:15,039
and that's you know that would go to to

774
00:30:19,830 --> 00:30:17,279
kind of his uh

775
00:30:22,230 --> 00:30:19,840
his character like if somebody is

776
00:30:24,549 --> 00:30:22,240
bribed their way into power and then

777
00:30:26,310 --> 00:30:24,559
bribed their way in or lied their way

778
00:30:27,830 --> 00:30:26,320
into keeping that power

779
00:30:29,190 --> 00:30:27,840
there's a very good chance that they

780
00:30:31,430 --> 00:30:29,200
could have

781
00:30:34,310 --> 00:30:31,440
done the exact same thing to ensure that

782
00:30:36,870 --> 00:30:34,320
their massive investment

783
00:30:38,549 --> 00:30:36,880
kept kept sound um

784
00:30:41,590 --> 00:30:38,559
now i know that the

785
00:30:43,190 --> 00:30:41,600
the the cartouche was on the south end

786
00:30:45,110 --> 00:30:43,200
of the i'm just trying to look through

787
00:30:47,029 --> 00:30:45,120
my notes here

788
00:30:48,789 --> 00:30:47,039
so ceiling towards the west end of the

789
00:30:50,470 --> 00:30:48,799
campbell's chamber

790
00:30:52,310 --> 00:30:50,480
uh now the the

791
00:30:53,909 --> 00:30:52,320
the kuffa cartouche it's the only

792
00:30:55,669 --> 00:30:53,919
inscription

793
00:30:56,549 --> 00:30:55,679
um and apparently this is supposed to be

794
00:31:00,710 --> 00:30:56,559
like a

795
00:31:03,029 --> 00:31:00,720
not and for for any of our american

796
00:31:05,830 --> 00:31:03,039
listeners no it's not it like a a crypt

797
00:31:08,549 --> 00:31:05,840
gang sign where it's it is a

798
00:31:10,230 --> 00:31:08,559
mason's gang sign it's they're going to

799
00:31:13,590 --> 00:31:10,240
quarry the stone and then basically put

800
00:31:16,789 --> 00:31:13,600
their name on the on the rock to say hey

801
00:31:18,870 --> 00:31:16,799
this is uh you know this this team's

802
00:31:21,750 --> 00:31:18,880
work so you know what's good

803
00:31:23,269 --> 00:31:21,760
um kind of like a brand as it were now

804
00:31:24,149 --> 00:31:23,279
the big thing about the cartouche is

805
00:31:26,070 --> 00:31:24,159
that

806
00:31:28,950 --> 00:31:26,080
it's the only inscription in the entire

807
00:31:33,830 --> 00:31:31,029
now i have

808
00:31:37,110 --> 00:31:33,840
i have to just stop me there uh chris

809
00:31:39,269 --> 00:31:37,120
there's actually um a number of khufu

810
00:31:42,389 --> 00:31:39,279
cartouches within these chambers really

811
00:31:43,909 --> 00:31:42,399
um yeah yeah um the

812
00:31:47,590 --> 00:31:43,919
what you have to understand is that

813
00:31:50,149 --> 00:31:47,600
khufu had um three three different well

814
00:31:52,389 --> 00:31:50,159
i said five different names but there's

815
00:31:54,789 --> 00:31:52,399
there are only three of them um that

816
00:31:57,669 --> 00:31:54,799
were found in these certain chambers you

817
00:32:00,950 --> 00:31:57,679
know so he had um

818
00:32:03,190 --> 00:32:00,960
you know the name khufu which is

819
00:32:05,830 --> 00:32:03,200
actually an abbreviation of his full

820
00:32:08,710 --> 00:32:05,840
name his full name is kunum kuf or

821
00:32:10,710 --> 00:32:08,720
kunimkufu that's his full name and then

822
00:32:12,870 --> 00:32:10,720
our you know um

823
00:32:14,789 --> 00:32:12,880
his other name is

824
00:32:18,710 --> 00:32:14,799
the horus this is what's called his

825
00:32:20,549 --> 00:32:18,720
horus name the horus mageedu so you know

826
00:32:22,549 --> 00:32:20,559
there there are actually three different

827
00:32:25,990 --> 00:32:22,559
names of khufu

828
00:32:28,710 --> 00:32:26,000
inside these chambers all in all there

829
00:32:31,110 --> 00:32:28,720
are about probably um

830
00:32:33,990 --> 00:32:31,120
seven or eight cartouches

831
00:32:37,190 --> 00:32:34,000
and there's one cartouche that says

832
00:32:39,669 --> 00:32:37,200
his abbreviated name khufu

833
00:32:44,630 --> 00:32:39,679
one full cartouche that says khufu there

834
00:32:49,350 --> 00:32:47,509
and there are a number of his horus name

835
00:32:51,509 --> 00:32:49,360
the horus magetto there's maybe about

836
00:32:53,029 --> 00:32:51,519
three or four of those you know so it's

837
00:32:54,549 --> 00:32:53,039
not just one

838
00:32:56,230 --> 00:32:54,559
um you know

839
00:32:58,230 --> 00:32:56,240
a lot of people have this misconception

840
00:33:00,950 --> 00:32:58,240
that it's just the one cartouche that

841
00:33:01,990 --> 00:33:00,960
was found um inside this gym there were

842
00:33:04,789 --> 00:33:02,000
actually

843
00:33:08,230 --> 00:33:04,799
several cartouches um that were found

844
00:33:11,430 --> 00:33:08,240
and the thing is you know the

845
00:33:15,269 --> 00:33:11,440
people always say well because the canoe

846
00:33:18,149 --> 00:33:15,279
khufu cartouche looks

847
00:33:20,470 --> 00:33:18,159
different it looks very similar but it's

848
00:33:23,509 --> 00:33:20,480
definitely has another couple of signs

849
00:33:27,669 --> 00:33:23,519
within the actual cartouche a cartous is

850
00:33:30,710 --> 00:33:27,679
basically like an oval shape um with a

851
00:33:33,029 --> 00:33:30,720
vertical as a vertical bar on the end of

852
00:33:35,590 --> 00:33:33,039
it and inside this oval shape there are

853
00:33:37,350 --> 00:33:35,600
a number of hieroglyphic symbols

854
00:33:39,750 --> 00:33:37,360
that's the cartous that's the king's

855
00:33:41,750 --> 00:33:39,760
name these symbols inside this this oval

856
00:33:42,950 --> 00:33:41,760
shape so

857
00:33:45,669 --> 00:33:42,960
the khufu

858
00:33:48,630 --> 00:33:45,679
cartouche and the kanunkufu cartouche

859
00:33:51,750 --> 00:33:48,640
looks similar but the kanunkufu cartoos

860
00:33:52,549 --> 00:33:51,760
has a couple of extra symbols

861
00:33:55,269 --> 00:33:52,559
now

862
00:33:56,870 --> 00:33:55,279
people often say well why

863
00:33:58,389 --> 00:33:56,880
would if

864
00:33:59,509 --> 00:33:58,399
vice was

865
00:34:03,110 --> 00:33:59,519
forging

866
00:34:06,710 --> 00:34:03,120
this why would they place two different

867
00:34:09,349 --> 00:34:06,720
cartouches within these chambers and of

868
00:34:12,069 --> 00:34:09,359
i explain why i would do that

869
00:34:13,270 --> 00:34:12,079
in the book because it's often assumed

870
00:34:16,389 --> 00:34:13,280
that

871
00:34:17,430 --> 00:34:16,399
back in 1837 these king these pyramids

872
00:34:20,550 --> 00:34:17,440
were built

873
00:34:23,349 --> 00:34:20,560
um as a burial tomb for just one king

874
00:34:26,230 --> 00:34:23,359
so why if you know vice wouldn't have

875
00:34:27,909 --> 00:34:26,240
known that these were these names were

876
00:34:29,669 --> 00:34:27,919
for the same king

877
00:34:31,990 --> 00:34:29,679
you know he wouldn't have known that

878
00:34:33,909 --> 00:34:32,000
wherever he got his information

879
00:34:37,750 --> 00:34:33,919
he wouldn't have known that they were

880
00:34:40,389 --> 00:34:37,760
for one king so why would he place

881
00:34:44,230 --> 00:34:40,399
two different or similar looking but

882
00:34:46,869 --> 00:34:44,240
different cartouches within the pyramid

883
00:34:49,909 --> 00:34:46,879
and i i explained that um

884
00:34:52,869 --> 00:34:49,919
in the book why why he would do that um

885
00:34:54,950 --> 00:34:52,879
and it's is it's um simply that the

886
00:34:58,630 --> 00:34:54,960
information at the time

887
00:35:00,870 --> 00:34:58,640
uh there's a book um by a chap called um

888
00:35:04,710 --> 00:35:00,880
wilkinson

889
00:35:06,950 --> 00:35:04,720
and he basically

890
00:35:08,950 --> 00:35:06,960
says that a king

891
00:35:11,589 --> 00:35:08,960
could have what's called

892
00:35:14,710 --> 00:35:11,599
a nomen and a prenomin two different

893
00:35:16,310 --> 00:35:14,720
names but he basically says in this book

894
00:35:18,470 --> 00:35:16,320
that

895
00:35:21,270 --> 00:35:18,480
they look similar but they actually

896
00:35:23,670 --> 00:35:21,280
refer to the same king

897
00:35:25,589 --> 00:35:23,680
could that be an attempt to create a

898
00:35:27,349 --> 00:35:25,599
like a lineage

899
00:35:28,630 --> 00:35:27,359
like his son or his father or something

900
00:35:31,109 --> 00:35:28,640
like that or

901
00:35:31,829 --> 00:35:31,119
well what um

902
00:35:34,710 --> 00:35:31,839
uh

903
00:35:38,230 --> 00:35:34,720
the believed back then or some some

904
00:35:42,829 --> 00:35:38,240
believed back then was that um

905
00:35:46,470 --> 00:35:42,839
may have been the brother um of um

906
00:35:49,430 --> 00:35:46,480
khufu but egypt egypt taught us i don't

907
00:35:51,829 --> 00:35:49,440
think even to this day are absolutely

908
00:35:54,550 --> 00:35:51,839
certain um about

909
00:35:58,870 --> 00:35:54,560
that particular kufu but the common

910
00:36:01,270 --> 00:35:58,880
consensus is that it's basically um the

911
00:36:03,750 --> 00:36:01,280
canoe koof is the full name

912
00:36:06,950 --> 00:36:03,760
of khufu whereas the khufu cartouche is

913
00:36:07,829 --> 00:36:06,960
an abbreviated version of the full name

914
00:36:09,670 --> 00:36:07,839
but

915
00:36:11,430 --> 00:36:09,680
what i think

916
00:36:15,349 --> 00:36:11,440
vice

917
00:36:17,670 --> 00:36:15,359
book his book is called materia

918
00:36:19,430 --> 00:36:17,680
hieroglyphica it's one of the earliest

919
00:36:21,349 --> 00:36:19,440
books written

920
00:36:24,870 --> 00:36:21,359
on hieroglyphics

921
00:36:26,470 --> 00:36:24,880
and in this book wilkinson says that the

922
00:36:29,430 --> 00:36:26,480
king can have

923
00:36:31,750 --> 00:36:29,440
two cartouches that look very similar

924
00:36:33,910 --> 00:36:31,760
but but they belong to the one king and

925
00:36:36,390 --> 00:36:33,920
i think that is probably

926
00:36:38,069 --> 00:36:36,400
or possibly what compelled

927
00:36:39,030 --> 00:36:38,079
vice when they found

928
00:36:42,470 --> 00:36:39,040
these

929
00:36:43,670 --> 00:36:42,480
markings to place the both of them

930
00:36:49,190 --> 00:36:43,680
inside

931
00:36:54,710 --> 00:36:51,349
and how would he

932
00:36:56,470 --> 00:36:54,720
how would he have uh forged it like if

933
00:36:58,790 --> 00:36:56,480
there is a certain type of okra that

934
00:37:00,790 --> 00:36:58,800
would have been used for the cartouches

935
00:37:03,190 --> 00:37:00,800
what would what what process would he

936
00:37:06,310 --> 00:37:03,200
would he have gone through to to

937
00:37:07,510 --> 00:37:06,320
make it make the fake as it were

938
00:37:08,950 --> 00:37:07,520
well

939
00:37:10,870 --> 00:37:08,960
i don't think he

940
00:37:13,109 --> 00:37:10,880
would have actually done the actual

941
00:37:15,430 --> 00:37:13,119
painting job himself

942
00:37:18,710 --> 00:37:15,440
but we know from some other evidence

943
00:37:20,310 --> 00:37:18,720
chris um that has come down first of all

944
00:37:23,109 --> 00:37:20,320
say that that

945
00:37:26,390 --> 00:37:23,119
the paint is um called red ochre it's a

946
00:37:28,550 --> 00:37:26,400
simple red ochre iron oxide um you know

947
00:37:30,470 --> 00:37:28,560
mixed with water you know it's a very

948
00:37:32,870 --> 00:37:30,480
very simple basic

949
00:37:36,710 --> 00:37:32,880
paint you can still make it today and in

950
00:37:39,589 --> 00:37:36,720
fact in 1837 um it was still being made

951
00:37:43,670 --> 00:37:39,599
and vice even talks about it um in his

952
00:37:49,190 --> 00:37:46,069
we know that that particular paint was

953
00:37:51,270 --> 00:37:49,200
still available in 1837 as it is indeed

954
00:37:54,230 --> 00:37:51,280
today um

955
00:37:57,990 --> 00:37:54,240
but we also know that

956
00:38:00,790 --> 00:37:58,000
vice actually got his two assistants

957
00:38:02,630 --> 00:38:00,800
um to do the work to do the painting of

958
00:38:07,270 --> 00:38:02,640
these

959
00:38:08,310 --> 00:38:07,280
um that there's

960
00:38:10,790 --> 00:38:08,320
this

961
00:38:13,510 --> 00:38:10,800
piece of evidence comes from

962
00:38:14,950 --> 00:38:13,520
zechariah sitchin in fact

963
00:38:17,589 --> 00:38:14,960
who in

964
00:38:19,270 --> 00:38:17,599
i think it was 1980 published a book

965
00:38:20,390 --> 00:38:19,280
called the

966
00:38:21,670 --> 00:38:20,400
uh

967
00:38:22,550 --> 00:38:21,680
serpent

968
00:38:24,069 --> 00:38:22,560
uh

969
00:38:25,510 --> 00:38:24,079
oh gosh

970
00:38:27,990 --> 00:38:25,520
the name the name escapes him at the

971
00:38:30,310 --> 00:38:28,000
moment and

972
00:38:32,870 --> 00:38:30,320
basically sits in was the first person

973
00:38:35,430 --> 00:38:32,880
in fact to to claim that these marks

974
00:38:38,310 --> 00:38:35,440
were fraudulent

975
00:38:40,950 --> 00:38:38,320
and he presented um a later but in a

976
00:38:42,550 --> 00:38:40,960
later book um journeys to the mythical

977
00:38:46,630 --> 00:38:42,560
past

978
00:38:49,589 --> 00:38:46,640
he basically presented this this um

979
00:38:53,270 --> 00:38:49,599
our diary a page from

980
00:38:55,270 --> 00:38:53,280
the diary of a chap called walter allen

981
00:38:57,990 --> 00:38:55,280
who's an american chap he lived he lived

982
00:39:01,030 --> 00:38:58,000
in pittsburgh pennsylvania

983
00:39:04,790 --> 00:39:01,040
and walter allen he was writing his um

984
00:39:07,190 --> 00:39:04,800
family history in 1954 i believe it was

985
00:39:08,710 --> 00:39:07,200
he was speaking to him to some elderly

986
00:39:10,870 --> 00:39:08,720
relatives

987
00:39:12,829 --> 00:39:10,880
and basically taking notes in his ham

988
00:39:16,150 --> 00:39:12,839
radio um nope

989
00:39:18,069 --> 00:39:16,160
notebook and in this notebook he writes

990
00:39:19,430 --> 00:39:18,079
speaking to his family

991
00:39:22,069 --> 00:39:19,440
relatives

992
00:39:24,150 --> 00:39:22,079
that his great-grandfather a chap called

993
00:39:26,310 --> 00:39:24,160
humphreys brewer

994
00:39:29,270 --> 00:39:26,320
worked with colonel weiss

995
00:39:31,270 --> 00:39:29,280
in 1837 at the pyramids and one of the

996
00:39:33,910 --> 00:39:31,280
things

997
00:39:35,750 --> 00:39:33,920
walter allen writes in his notes whilst

998
00:39:37,750 --> 00:39:35,760
interviewing or speaking with his family

999
00:39:39,109 --> 00:39:37,760
elders is that

1000
00:39:49,510 --> 00:39:39,119
um

1001
00:39:51,190 --> 00:39:49,520
were vice's two closest assistants

1002
00:39:54,310 --> 00:39:51,200
he writes um

1003
00:39:56,710 --> 00:39:54,320
faint marks were repainted

1004
00:39:58,710 --> 00:39:56,720
some were new

1005
00:40:01,430 --> 00:39:58,720
you know so there you have an actual

1006
00:40:04,069 --> 00:40:01,440
eyewitness that raven and hill were

1007
00:40:07,270 --> 00:40:04,079
painting over some faint marks in the

1008
00:40:09,190 --> 00:40:07,280
pyramid but also painting some new marks

1009
00:40:11,510 --> 00:40:09,200
inside the pyramid you know so there you

1010
00:40:13,750 --> 00:40:11,520
have an eyewitness account that's been

1011
00:40:16,550 --> 00:40:13,760
handed down um

1012
00:40:17,589 --> 00:40:16,560
through walter allen's um family you

1013
00:40:21,270 --> 00:40:17,599
know so

1014
00:40:22,829 --> 00:40:21,280
in terms of these painted marks

1015
00:40:26,630 --> 00:40:22,839
the paint was

1016
00:40:28,790 --> 00:40:26,640
available the opportunity was available

1017
00:40:31,349 --> 00:40:28,800
what i mean by that is a

1018
00:40:33,349 --> 00:40:31,359
a very good place to place these marks

1019
00:40:34,550 --> 00:40:33,359
had been discovered

1020
00:40:38,790 --> 00:40:34,560
and

1021
00:40:42,069 --> 00:40:38,800
vice had the the two guys to actually um

1022
00:40:47,109 --> 00:40:44,150
and if you said they had painted over

1023
00:40:49,430 --> 00:40:47,119
older marks so it's like if they had

1024
00:40:52,710 --> 00:40:49,440
seen something and i know there are

1025
00:40:54,550 --> 00:40:52,720
those marks i forget exactly which um uh

1026
00:40:56,309 --> 00:40:54,560
i forget which temple off the top my

1027
00:40:58,309 --> 00:40:56,319
head it's the one where everyone points

1028
00:40:59,910 --> 00:40:58,319
to and says oh hey there's a picture of

1029
00:41:02,790 --> 00:40:59,920
a submarine and a picture of a

1030
00:41:03,670 --> 00:41:02,800
helicopter and it's actually like they

1031
00:41:06,470 --> 00:41:03,680
they

1032
00:41:08,390 --> 00:41:06,480
uh combined or marked over glyphs to

1033
00:41:10,069 --> 00:41:08,400
make a new glyph and then that's what

1034
00:41:11,510 --> 00:41:10,079
felt like

1035
00:41:12,550 --> 00:41:11,520
that thank you very much

1036
00:41:14,710 --> 00:41:12,560
um

1037
00:41:16,950 --> 00:41:14,720
that that like it's very similar to that

1038
00:41:18,630 --> 00:41:16,960
where they they could have been

1039
00:41:20,390 --> 00:41:18,640
looking and saying oh this kind of looks

1040
00:41:22,470 --> 00:41:20,400
like what we needed to let's paint over

1041
00:41:24,309 --> 00:41:22,480
it and change it around so that that it

1042
00:41:25,670 --> 00:41:24,319
it you know fits the narrative as it

1043
00:41:27,670 --> 00:41:25,680
were yeah

1044
00:41:29,750 --> 00:41:27,680
exactly chris exactly

1045
00:41:32,710 --> 00:41:29,760
the the thing is this this is one of the

1046
00:41:35,349 --> 00:41:32,720
things that i've i have always argued

1047
00:41:37,829 --> 00:41:35,359
there are some marks in those chambers

1048
00:41:40,710 --> 00:41:37,839
which are genuine

1049
00:41:43,430 --> 00:41:40,720
um i absolutely believe that and there

1050
00:41:44,950 --> 00:41:43,440
are some that are absolutely definitely

1051
00:41:47,829 --> 00:41:44,960
have been faked

1052
00:41:50,630 --> 00:41:47,839
now one of the other pieces of evidence

1053
00:41:52,069 --> 00:41:50,640
which i go into in the book um actually

1054
00:41:55,510 --> 00:41:52,079
comes from

1055
00:41:57,829 --> 00:41:55,520
you know howard faces actual own hand

1056
00:41:59,589 --> 00:41:57,839
her advice is his book has published

1057
00:42:00,790 --> 00:41:59,599
volumes of three volumes that he

1058
00:42:02,950 --> 00:42:00,800
published

1059
00:42:04,550 --> 00:42:02,960
and

1060
00:42:05,990 --> 00:42:04,560
they're written in a diary form a

1061
00:42:09,670 --> 00:42:06,000
journal

1062
00:42:11,190 --> 00:42:09,680
there would have to have been an

1063
00:42:14,470 --> 00:42:11,200
original diary

1064
00:42:17,589 --> 00:42:14,480
um you know original handwritten notes

1065
00:42:20,870 --> 00:42:17,599
and i managed to track um those um

1066
00:42:23,910 --> 00:42:20,880
handwritten notes uh down to

1067
00:42:26,390 --> 00:42:23,920
uh or i found them in a small library um

1068
00:42:28,630 --> 00:42:26,400
to the north of london

1069
00:42:32,309 --> 00:42:28,640
and one of the things that what i'll say

1070
00:42:35,190 --> 00:42:32,319
right away is that um colonel vice's um

1071
00:42:37,349 --> 00:42:35,200
handwriting is absolutely appallingly

1072
00:42:39,510 --> 00:42:37,359
difficult um

1073
00:42:41,829 --> 00:42:39,520
to read it's really really difficult to

1074
00:42:43,030 --> 00:42:41,839
read you know so when i i mean there's

1075
00:42:46,630 --> 00:42:43,040
something like

1076
00:42:47,829 --> 00:42:46,640
um 300 double-sided pages of this

1077
00:42:49,349 --> 00:42:47,839
journal

1078
00:42:53,750 --> 00:42:49,359
and you know

1079
00:42:56,710 --> 00:42:53,760
honestly his writing is appallingly bad

1080
00:42:59,829 --> 00:42:56,720
but the thing is

1081
00:43:02,710 --> 00:42:59,839
when i was initially looking through um

1082
00:43:04,630 --> 00:43:02,720
you know these thin fragile pages

1083
00:43:09,030 --> 00:43:04,640
you know even though i could barely read

1084
00:43:10,950 --> 00:43:09,040
a single word of vice's handwriting

1085
00:43:12,630 --> 00:43:10,960
you know

1086
00:43:15,510 --> 00:43:12,640
ironically

1087
00:43:17,750 --> 00:43:15,520
what i could read on those pages was the

1088
00:43:20,069 --> 00:43:17,760
more ancient writing

1089
00:43:23,430 --> 00:43:20,079
that is that you know the hieroglyphics

1090
00:43:27,030 --> 00:43:23,440
that vice had so meticulously drawn

1091
00:43:29,670 --> 00:43:27,040
on those pages i could read those on

1092
00:43:32,710 --> 00:43:29,680
those pages and when i saw what i saw

1093
00:43:35,430 --> 00:43:32,720
the hieroglyphics that i saw on those

1094
00:43:37,510 --> 00:43:35,440
handwritten pages that vice

1095
00:43:40,870 --> 00:43:37,520
had written when i read those

1096
00:43:42,230 --> 00:43:40,880
hieroglyphics on those pages i knew

1097
00:43:43,990 --> 00:43:42,240
you know

1098
00:43:45,109 --> 00:43:44,000
there's something really wrong here this

1099
00:43:47,510 --> 00:43:45,119
isn't right

1100
00:43:49,270 --> 00:43:47,520
you know and obviously you know i i go

1101
00:43:52,470 --> 00:43:49,280
into that explain that in the book in

1102
00:43:56,950 --> 00:43:52,480
more detail but one of the things

1103
00:43:58,150 --> 00:43:56,960
in time when i became more accustomed um

1104
00:43:59,349 --> 00:43:58,160
with them

1105
00:44:01,430 --> 00:43:59,359
you know

1106
00:44:03,670 --> 00:44:01,440
the writing um

1107
00:44:06,069 --> 00:44:03,680
in this journal and with the help of

1108
00:44:07,990 --> 00:44:06,079
various other people and

1109
00:44:09,750 --> 00:44:08,000
basically breaking the code of his

1110
00:44:12,390 --> 00:44:09,760
handwriting

1111
00:44:15,670 --> 00:44:12,400
one of the phrases that we discovered um

1112
00:44:17,589 --> 00:44:15,680
was in those notes when he first enters

1113
00:44:20,309 --> 00:44:17,599
the first chamber

1114
00:44:22,230 --> 00:44:20,319
this is the chamber above davidson's

1115
00:44:26,069 --> 00:44:22,240
chamber which i said earlier had been

1116
00:44:28,870 --> 00:44:26,079
open for 70 years the chamber above this

1117
00:44:32,470 --> 00:44:28,880
vice called wellington's chamber

1118
00:44:34,390 --> 00:44:32,480
and inside that chamber

1119
00:44:37,589 --> 00:44:34,400
well vice blasted that open that was the

1120
00:44:40,710 --> 00:44:37,599
first chamber he opened now and in his

1121
00:44:44,150 --> 00:44:40,720
diary um i think i think that was opened

1122
00:44:46,790 --> 00:44:44,160
uh something like the 27th of march 1837

1123
00:44:48,630 --> 00:44:46,800
something like that now when he opened

1124
00:44:51,190 --> 00:44:48,640
that chamber

1125
00:44:53,670 --> 00:44:51,200
on the east wall that's where you know

1126
00:44:56,470 --> 00:44:53,680
the the broke through the chamber on the

1127
00:44:58,790 --> 00:44:56,480
east wall vice writes in his private

1128
00:45:01,589 --> 00:44:58,800
notes not his published account and his

1129
00:45:03,670 --> 00:45:01,599
private notes vice tells us that he

1130
00:45:06,150 --> 00:45:03,680
found marks

1131
00:45:07,910 --> 00:45:06,160
on the wall on the east wall right he

1132
00:45:10,870 --> 00:45:07,920
found marks there

1133
00:45:13,910 --> 00:45:10,880
um that looked that he says they looked

1134
00:45:16,710 --> 00:45:13,920
like quarry marks of of red red painted

1135
00:45:19,030 --> 00:45:16,720
quarry marks but the signs looked

1136
00:45:20,150 --> 00:45:19,040
nothing like hieroglyphics

1137
00:45:22,069 --> 00:45:20,160
yeah

1138
00:45:24,150 --> 00:45:22,079
you know that basically what he's saying

1139
00:45:26,550 --> 00:45:24,160
is um you know that

1140
00:45:29,190 --> 00:45:26,560
the quarry marks um

1141
00:45:32,150 --> 00:45:29,200
basically used hieroglyphic signs for

1142
00:45:34,790 --> 00:45:32,160
vice in his published book hieroglyphics

1143
00:45:36,790 --> 00:45:34,800
and quarry marks were essentially the

1144
00:45:38,630 --> 00:45:36,800
same things hieroglyphics were

1145
00:45:41,030 --> 00:45:38,640
essentially graffiti

1146
00:45:42,309 --> 00:45:41,040
using signs from the hieroglyphic

1147
00:45:44,950 --> 00:45:42,319
alphabet

1148
00:45:47,829 --> 00:45:44,960
just like we have graffiti today using

1149
00:45:50,710 --> 00:45:47,839
signs from our english alphabet letters

1150
00:45:52,309 --> 00:45:50,720
from our english alphabet so to vice you

1151
00:45:53,829 --> 00:45:52,319
know saying quarry marks and

1152
00:45:56,550 --> 00:45:53,839
hieroglyphics was entirely

1153
00:45:59,030 --> 00:45:56,560
interchangeable so when he says he saw

1154
00:46:02,710 --> 00:45:59,040
marx on the wall there

1155
00:46:04,950 --> 00:46:02,720
looked like red painted quarry marks but

1156
00:46:06,390 --> 00:46:04,960
nothing like hieroglyphics the signs and

1157
00:46:07,990 --> 00:46:06,400
these marks were nothing like

1158
00:46:10,230 --> 00:46:08,000
hieroglyphics

1159
00:46:12,230 --> 00:46:10,240
and when you look at these signs they

1160
00:46:15,589 --> 00:46:12,240
don't look anything like hieroglyphics

1161
00:46:18,069 --> 00:46:15,599
they're weird geometric shapes

1162
00:46:20,390 --> 00:46:18,079
and you know so those i believe are

1163
00:46:22,710 --> 00:46:20,400
absolutely genuine marks

1164
00:46:24,950 --> 00:46:22,720
that he found in the east wall of

1165
00:46:26,550 --> 00:46:24,960
wellington's chamber

1166
00:46:29,270 --> 00:46:26,560
but the thing is

1167
00:46:31,510 --> 00:46:29,280
when you then so vice verse says that it

1168
00:46:32,950 --> 00:46:31,520
says you know

1169
00:46:35,109 --> 00:46:32,960
there are marks

1170
00:46:37,030 --> 00:46:35,119
the local quarry marks but the signs in

1171
00:46:38,790 --> 00:46:37,040
them look nothing like egyptian

1172
00:46:41,030 --> 00:46:38,800
hieroglyphic signs

1173
00:46:43,270 --> 00:46:41,040
nothing like quarry mark signs that's

1174
00:46:45,270 --> 00:46:43,280
what he's effectively saying but then

1175
00:46:46,950 --> 00:46:45,280
then has published book what he's saying

1176
00:46:48,950 --> 00:46:46,960
what he writes in his published account

1177
00:46:50,230 --> 00:46:48,960
of this very same night

1178
00:46:52,470 --> 00:46:50,240
is that

1179
00:46:54,630 --> 00:46:52,480
on you know on this night

1180
00:46:57,670 --> 00:46:54,640
we found the quarry marks

1181
00:46:59,670 --> 00:46:57,680
so there you right away in his private

1182
00:47:01,030 --> 00:46:59,680
handwritten account with his private

1183
00:47:02,470 --> 00:47:01,040
thoughts

1184
00:47:04,550 --> 00:47:02,480
three-year remember his book is

1185
00:47:07,030 --> 00:47:04,560
published about three years later

1186
00:47:09,349 --> 00:47:07,040
he says you know he found nothing and

1187
00:47:11,430 --> 00:47:09,359
yet three years later he tells us he

1188
00:47:15,109 --> 00:47:11,440
found the quarry marks

1189
00:47:17,750 --> 00:47:15,119
but nowhere you know and his

1190
00:47:19,750 --> 00:47:17,760
private notes does he say that he found

1191
00:47:21,109 --> 00:47:19,760
anything that looked like genuine

1192
00:47:24,069 --> 00:47:21,119
quality marks

1193
00:47:26,870 --> 00:47:24,079
or typical quarry marks he just doesn't

1194
00:47:29,829 --> 00:47:26,880
mention now when you look

1195
00:47:32,390 --> 00:47:29,839
at what vice actually found or claims he

1196
00:47:34,150 --> 00:47:32,400
found in his published account

1197
00:47:36,950 --> 00:47:34,160
if you go to the british museum because

1198
00:47:39,589 --> 00:47:36,960
vice asked his assistant mr hill

1199
00:47:40,870 --> 00:47:39,599
to apparently copy the marks in these

1200
00:47:44,150 --> 00:47:40,880
chambers

1201
00:47:49,109 --> 00:47:44,160
to do a one-to-one facsimile copy of all

1202
00:47:50,150 --> 00:47:49,119
the marks um inside these these chambers

1203
00:47:52,470 --> 00:47:50,160
and

1204
00:47:55,270 --> 00:47:52,480
when you look go to the british museum

1205
00:47:57,030 --> 00:47:55,280
and look at these facsimile drawings as

1206
00:48:00,309 --> 00:47:57,040
i did

1207
00:48:02,790 --> 00:48:00,319
a few years back what you find um is

1208
00:48:08,550 --> 00:48:05,430
one of the there is only one drawing

1209
00:48:11,750 --> 00:48:08,560
from this chamber wellington's chamber

1210
00:48:14,150 --> 00:48:11,760
and it is a cartouche it's one of the

1211
00:48:17,109 --> 00:48:14,160
the gang names the gang names would

1212
00:48:18,829 --> 00:48:17,119
typically use the the king's name as

1213
00:48:21,190 --> 00:48:18,839
part of their own name

1214
00:48:23,270 --> 00:48:21,200
okay um

1215
00:48:25,510 --> 00:48:23,280
you know so that this is why the the

1216
00:48:28,549 --> 00:48:25,520
cartouche is painted onto this block

1217
00:48:30,549 --> 00:48:28,559
it's supposedly um one of the the the

1218
00:48:32,549 --> 00:48:30,559
crew names or the gang names that worked

1219
00:48:34,309 --> 00:48:32,559
in the quarries

1220
00:48:36,950 --> 00:48:34,319
but there you have this this this

1221
00:48:38,790 --> 00:48:36,960
cartouche and it was found on the west

1222
00:48:39,670 --> 00:48:38,800
wall

1223
00:48:42,630 --> 00:48:39,680
um

1224
00:48:45,750 --> 00:48:42,640
and vice makes absolutely no mention of

1225
00:48:48,230 --> 00:48:45,760
this discovery anywhere in his published

1226
00:48:50,230 --> 00:48:48,240
account he doesn't say that in his

1227
00:48:52,549 --> 00:48:50,240
private account he says that he found

1228
00:48:54,470 --> 00:48:52,559
his found nothing

1229
00:48:56,790 --> 00:48:54,480
you know nothing like looked like

1230
00:48:58,630 --> 00:48:56,800
hieroglyphics in this chamber and that

1231
00:49:00,870 --> 00:48:58,640
yeah in his public's account he says we

1232
00:49:02,710 --> 00:49:00,880
found the quarry marks well

1233
00:49:04,630 --> 00:49:02,720
you know when did you find them what did

1234
00:49:07,030 --> 00:49:04,640
you find you know there's a big big

1235
00:49:09,589 --> 00:49:07,040
question mark there because

1236
00:49:11,349 --> 00:49:09,599
vice as i explained earlier in the show

1237
00:49:13,510 --> 00:49:11,359
one of the things he would have been

1238
00:49:15,910 --> 00:49:13,520
delighted and finding absolutely

1239
00:49:18,710 --> 00:49:15,920
ecstatic in finding would have been a

1240
00:49:22,390 --> 00:49:18,720
cartouche but he makes absolutely no

1241
00:49:24,710 --> 00:49:22,400
mention of it in his private notes why

1242
00:49:26,549 --> 00:49:24,720
not that would have been a huge

1243
00:49:29,190 --> 00:49:26,559
discovery for vice

1244
00:49:31,990 --> 00:49:29,200
had he found it in the chamber on that

1245
00:49:34,710 --> 00:49:32,000
night and his private notes make no

1246
00:49:37,190 --> 00:49:34,720
mention of it and always says in his

1247
00:49:38,870 --> 00:49:37,200
publish account as i said

1248
00:49:41,670 --> 00:49:38,880
we found the quarry marks without

1249
00:49:44,470 --> 00:49:41,680
identifying the cartouche whatsoever

1250
00:49:46,710 --> 00:49:44,480
which would have been a major discovery

1251
00:49:49,030 --> 00:49:46,720
and he makes no mention and there's just

1252
00:49:52,870 --> 00:49:50,710
i just cannot make sense of that the

1253
00:49:54,790 --> 00:49:52,880
only reason i can make sense of that is

1254
00:49:56,630 --> 00:49:54,800
that that cartouche was not in the

1255
00:49:58,549 --> 00:49:56,640
chamber that night and that's why

1256
00:50:01,270 --> 00:49:58,559
there's no mention of it and vice's

1257
00:50:03,270 --> 00:50:01,280
private journal and why

1258
00:50:04,950 --> 00:50:03,280
in his publish account

1259
00:50:06,710 --> 00:50:04,960
he's been very vague he's been

1260
00:50:08,630 --> 00:50:06,720
deliberately vague about what was

1261
00:50:11,270 --> 00:50:08,640
discovered there it's almost like he's

1262
00:50:12,790 --> 00:50:11,280
giving himself plausible deniability

1263
00:50:14,950 --> 00:50:12,800
there by

1264
00:50:15,829 --> 00:50:14,960
being deliberately vague about what was

1265
00:50:18,470 --> 00:50:15,839
found

1266
00:50:20,230 --> 00:50:18,480
and that's kind of the

1267
00:50:22,710 --> 00:50:20,240
i'm speaking from experience here if

1268
00:50:24,230 --> 00:50:22,720
something really cool happens to me

1269
00:50:27,190 --> 00:50:24,240
and now that with the age of facebook

1270
00:50:28,549 --> 00:50:27,200
and twitter you know anything happens

1271
00:50:29,670 --> 00:50:28,559
you're going to write it down if it's

1272
00:50:32,309 --> 00:50:29,680
going to be something that's going to be

1273
00:50:34,230 --> 00:50:32,319
published exactly you want especially

1274
00:50:35,430 --> 00:50:34,240
for somebody who is

1275
00:50:37,030 --> 00:50:35,440
uh you know and

1276
00:50:39,349 --> 00:50:37,040
we we as a culture are a lot more

1277
00:50:40,790 --> 00:50:39,359
egotistical a lot more narcissistic and

1278
00:50:42,309 --> 00:50:40,800
you know even if it's like a shade or

1279
00:50:44,069 --> 00:50:42,319
two more than it would have been back

1280
00:50:45,829 --> 00:50:44,079
then but still

1281
00:50:48,309 --> 00:50:45,839
you know i know people who

1282
00:50:50,710 --> 00:50:48,319
their dog does something cool that's me

1283
00:50:53,270 --> 00:50:50,720
um they'll post it up on instagram and

1284
00:50:55,670 --> 00:50:53,280
yeah that's i do that all the time and

1285
00:50:57,030 --> 00:50:55,680
the same thing if he's going to

1286
00:50:58,790 --> 00:50:57,040
put in his own private notes or if he

1287
00:51:00,549 --> 00:50:58,800
found something cool he's going to try

1288
00:51:02,309 --> 00:51:00,559
and express his own

1289
00:51:03,910 --> 00:51:02,319
thoughts down and say well you know

1290
00:51:05,349 --> 00:51:03,920
we've done something interesting like

1291
00:51:07,109 --> 00:51:05,359
like oh my goodness i can't believe how

1292
00:51:09,109 --> 00:51:07,119
hard this was to be able to find you

1293
00:51:10,549 --> 00:51:09,119
know he would have been ecstatic at the

1294
00:51:12,230 --> 00:51:10,559
fact that all of this money and all of

1295
00:51:14,150 --> 00:51:12,240
this this effort and all of this time

1296
00:51:16,390 --> 00:51:14,160
would have been worth it

1297
00:51:17,990 --> 00:51:16,400
yeah exactly because if he's putting it

1298
00:51:20,309 --> 00:51:18,000
down in his private notes now it this

1299
00:51:21,990 --> 00:51:20,319
this is coming from a man who

1300
00:51:24,150 --> 00:51:22,000
if he knows his notes are going to be

1301
00:51:25,670 --> 00:51:24,160
looked at if if they're private

1302
00:51:28,710 --> 00:51:25,680
you know there's always a possibility

1303
00:51:29,829 --> 00:51:28,720
that you know he he

1304
00:51:31,510 --> 00:51:29,839
what's the best way to put it if you

1305
00:51:33,430 --> 00:51:31,520
have a million dollars in the pot you're

1306
00:51:34,870 --> 00:51:33,440
paying [\h__\h] attention you're paying

1307
00:51:35,990 --> 00:51:34,880
attention yes you're gonna keep the

1308
00:51:37,670 --> 00:51:36,000
meticulous notes

1309
00:51:39,349 --> 00:51:37,680
you're going to note what has happened

1310
00:51:41,510 --> 00:51:39,359
when it's happened you'll know how many

1311
00:51:43,510 --> 00:51:41,520
shits you took during the day

1312
00:51:44,390 --> 00:51:43,520
if necessary and how much those shits

1313
00:51:45,510 --> 00:51:44,400
cost

1314
00:51:47,990 --> 00:51:45,520
you know

1315
00:51:50,470 --> 00:51:48,000
how many rolls of paper you used all of

1316
00:51:53,190 --> 00:51:50,480
that there's no notice of it now

1317
00:51:55,829 --> 00:51:53,200
the big thing is the the

1318
00:51:59,910 --> 00:51:57,829
if the gang marks were different than

1319
00:52:02,390 --> 00:51:59,920
than what the cartouche would have been

1320
00:52:03,190 --> 00:52:02,400
and if the cartouche would have been

1321
00:52:05,430 --> 00:52:03,200
um

1322
00:52:08,710 --> 00:52:05,440
a part of a gang mark

1323
00:52:10,150 --> 00:52:08,720
the major thing is why would people can

1324
00:52:11,829 --> 00:52:10,160
assume

1325
00:52:13,670 --> 00:52:11,839
that

1326
00:52:16,549 --> 00:52:13,680
the cartouche is the pointing point

1327
00:52:17,750 --> 00:52:16,559
toward the the the x marks the spot to

1328
00:52:19,990 --> 00:52:17,760
the answer to the question of who made

1329
00:52:22,150 --> 00:52:20,000
it knowing that gang marks are the

1330
00:52:23,510 --> 00:52:22,160
cartridges only part of it it or the

1331
00:52:26,150 --> 00:52:23,520
name of the king would have been part of

1332
00:52:27,829 --> 00:52:26,160
it as in like this is uh you know

1333
00:52:29,990 --> 00:52:27,839
khufu's gang

1334
00:52:31,670 --> 00:52:30,000
uh a quarry mark is not a king's mark

1335
00:52:32,950 --> 00:52:31,680
well no it's not a kings market but the

1336
00:52:35,109 --> 00:52:32,960
king's name would have been part of it

1337
00:52:36,470 --> 00:52:35,119
as scott had mentioned so but you're

1338
00:52:37,670 --> 00:52:36,480
you're talking about but that would have

1339
00:52:39,349 --> 00:52:37,680
looked different that would have been

1340
00:52:41,990 --> 00:52:39,359
different it's a hop skip and a jump in

1341
00:52:43,270 --> 00:52:42,000
line exactly like the quarrymen's mark

1342
00:52:45,670 --> 00:52:43,280
would have been the king's mark

1343
00:52:47,990 --> 00:52:45,680
precisely so king's not you know

1344
00:52:49,750 --> 00:52:48,000
wielding a chisel presumably now i i

1345
00:52:52,230 --> 00:52:49,760
know that in a lot of your uh like in

1346
00:52:53,510 --> 00:52:52,240
some of the other the um um

1347
00:52:55,030 --> 00:52:53,520
other interviews that you've got that

1348
00:52:56,549 --> 00:52:55,040
you've given

1349
00:52:57,990 --> 00:52:56,559
the idea of

1350
00:53:00,549 --> 00:52:58,000
you know there's been the why there's

1351
00:53:03,190 --> 00:53:00,559
been how there's been the the talk about

1352
00:53:04,870 --> 00:53:03,200
the the um the diaries and we're gonna

1353
00:53:06,309 --> 00:53:04,880
go into that the diaries in a second

1354
00:53:08,630 --> 00:53:06,319
because it's always interesting to hear

1355
00:53:10,470 --> 00:53:08,640
how uh how you deciphered his

1356
00:53:12,309 --> 00:53:10,480
handwriting

1357
00:53:14,470 --> 00:53:12,319
but what happened afterwards what

1358
00:53:17,349 --> 00:53:14,480
happened after the

1359
00:53:20,150 --> 00:53:17,359
um you know like after the quote-unquote

1360
00:53:22,390 --> 00:53:20,160
discovery was was made and i'm using

1361
00:53:24,069 --> 00:53:22,400
quotation marks here in the studio if

1362
00:53:26,069 --> 00:53:24,079
you're watching on youtube

1363
00:53:27,589 --> 00:53:26,079
because obviously it could have been a

1364
00:53:30,549 --> 00:53:27,599
hoax so

1365
00:53:32,630 --> 00:53:30,559
what happened afterwards

1366
00:53:35,589 --> 00:53:32,640
what happened after what event sorry

1367
00:53:39,190 --> 00:53:35,599
sorry chris i didn't quite hear earlier

1368
00:53:42,230 --> 00:53:39,200
what you said there i i with regards to

1369
00:53:44,630 --> 00:53:42,240
him finding the cartouche what was the

1370
00:53:46,630 --> 00:53:44,640
chain of events after the fact

1371
00:53:48,390 --> 00:53:46,640
like he wrote it down they found it what

1372
00:53:51,510 --> 00:53:48,400
was the chain of events after the they

1373
00:53:52,470 --> 00:53:51,520
made the discovery and announced it

1374
00:53:56,309 --> 00:53:52,480
well

1375
00:53:57,910 --> 00:53:56,319
basically what happened is um you know

1376
00:53:59,990 --> 00:53:57,920
he ordered

1377
00:54:02,470 --> 00:54:00,000
when they found these quarry marks in

1378
00:54:04,150 --> 00:54:02,480
the first chamber they obviously um

1379
00:54:05,270 --> 00:54:04,160
didn't find the

1380
00:54:07,030 --> 00:54:05,280
you know

1381
00:54:09,270 --> 00:54:07,040
um the

1382
00:54:11,270 --> 00:54:09,280
the mummy of khufu which was what they

1383
00:54:13,589 --> 00:54:11,280
were hoping to find they obviously

1384
00:54:15,430 --> 00:54:13,599
realized there was another chamber above

1385
00:54:17,510 --> 00:54:15,440
so they kept going

1386
00:54:19,829 --> 00:54:17,520
um basically digging and then they kept

1387
00:54:21,990 --> 00:54:19,839
you know apparently finding more and

1388
00:54:24,150 --> 00:54:22,000
more of these quarter marks and the

1389
00:54:25,829 --> 00:54:24,160
strange thing is the strange thing is

1390
00:54:27,910 --> 00:54:25,839
chris is that

1391
00:54:30,230 --> 00:54:27,920
what you find is at the very bottom

1392
00:54:31,910 --> 00:54:30,240
chamber davidson's chamber which vice

1393
00:54:32,870 --> 00:54:31,920
didn't open it would already be open

1394
00:54:35,910 --> 00:54:32,880
there's

1395
00:54:38,549 --> 00:54:35,920
zero marks no marks at all and this is

1396
00:54:40,950 --> 00:54:38,559
the point sitchin first made there was

1397
00:54:42,870 --> 00:54:40,960
absolutely no marks found in that open

1398
00:54:45,430 --> 00:54:42,880
chamber whatsoever the only ones that

1399
00:54:47,510 --> 00:54:45,440
were found were the ones discovered in

1400
00:54:49,990 --> 00:54:47,520
the chambers opened by vice that he

1401
00:54:52,390 --> 00:54:50,000
blasted open and what you see you kind

1402
00:54:53,270 --> 00:54:52,400
of see a pattern you know it starts off

1403
00:54:56,390 --> 00:54:53,280
with

1404
00:54:58,470 --> 00:54:56,400
vice genuinely discovering some

1405
00:55:00,870 --> 00:54:58,480
march on the east wall that didn't look

1406
00:55:03,430 --> 00:55:00,880
anything like hieroglyphics and then

1407
00:55:05,990 --> 00:55:03,440
suddenly a cartouche appears from that

1408
00:55:09,030 --> 00:55:06,000
wall from nowhere there's no mention of

1409
00:55:11,030 --> 00:55:09,040
it anywhere and then the next level up

1410
00:55:13,589 --> 00:55:11,040
the next chamber that the blaster we

1411
00:55:15,910 --> 00:55:13,599
enter this is nelson's chamber you find

1412
00:55:19,190 --> 00:55:15,920
there are a couple more a few more

1413
00:55:20,950 --> 00:55:19,200
hieroglyphics on just the west wall this

1414
00:55:23,190 --> 00:55:20,960
time okay

1415
00:55:26,230 --> 00:55:23,200
and then what you find the chamber above

1416
00:55:28,230 --> 00:55:26,240
that this is lady or buff nuts chamber

1417
00:55:30,710 --> 00:55:28,240
it's covered in them they're all over

1418
00:55:33,750 --> 00:55:30,720
the place virtually in every wall and in

1419
00:55:35,349 --> 00:55:33,760
the chamber above that you find that's

1420
00:55:37,910 --> 00:55:35,359
the final chamber that's campbell's

1421
00:55:39,190 --> 00:55:37,920
chamber that has you know a sloping roof

1422
00:55:42,710 --> 00:55:39,200
as opposed to

1423
00:55:44,950 --> 00:55:42,720
a flat level roof um you know and

1424
00:55:47,109 --> 00:55:44,960
there's there's you know

1425
00:55:49,589 --> 00:55:47,119
marks all over that chamber as well and

1426
00:55:51,270 --> 00:55:49,599
that's where the famous khufu cartoons

1427
00:55:54,069 --> 00:55:51,280
that everybody knows about was

1428
00:55:55,109 --> 00:55:54,079
discovered you know so

1429
00:56:00,870 --> 00:55:55,119
you

1430
00:56:02,870 --> 00:56:00,880
zero marks then one mark then two marks

1431
00:56:05,510 --> 00:56:02,880
then load several marks then loads of

1432
00:56:07,750 --> 00:56:05,520
marks it's like almost as though vice

1433
00:56:09,030 --> 00:56:07,760
and his his crew were growing in

1434
00:56:11,190 --> 00:56:09,040
confidence

1435
00:56:13,990 --> 00:56:11,200
you know and and covering these these

1436
00:56:16,230 --> 00:56:14,000
chambers with with various marks but

1437
00:56:20,470 --> 00:56:16,240
there's there's another and possibility

1438
00:56:26,630 --> 00:56:23,670
the walls in these chambers um when they

1439
00:56:28,829 --> 00:56:26,640
were placing the wall blocks most of

1440
00:56:30,950 --> 00:56:28,839
these marks are on the walls of these

1441
00:56:33,349 --> 00:56:30,960
chambers chris

1442
00:56:36,069 --> 00:56:33,359
and when they were

1443
00:56:38,549 --> 00:56:36,079
you know putting these blocks in place

1444
00:56:40,630 --> 00:56:38,559
what they would do

1445
00:56:42,789 --> 00:56:40,640
you know they would they would move one

1446
00:56:45,829 --> 00:56:42,799
block over you know on top of another

1447
00:56:47,190 --> 00:56:45,839
block to slide that block into place and

1448
00:56:48,309 --> 00:56:47,200
to reduce

1449
00:56:49,670 --> 00:56:48,319
friction

1450
00:56:53,670 --> 00:56:49,680
they would use

1451
00:56:56,069 --> 00:56:53,680
a lime slurry basically as a lubricant

1452
00:56:58,549 --> 00:56:56,079
to slide one block over the other as it

1453
00:57:00,630 --> 00:56:58,559
were to slide it into place and what

1454
00:57:03,030 --> 00:57:00,640
that would cause is

1455
00:57:05,349 --> 00:57:03,040
you know the compression of one block

1456
00:57:10,829 --> 00:57:05,359
on top of another would squeeze the

1457
00:57:13,109 --> 00:57:10,839
slurry out down the sides of the blocks

1458
00:57:14,470 --> 00:57:13,119
yeah and

1459
00:57:16,789 --> 00:57:14,480
um

1460
00:57:18,069 --> 00:57:16,799
this would run down the face of these

1461
00:57:20,069 --> 00:57:18,079
wall blocks

1462
00:57:21,510 --> 00:57:20,079
and what you find and it's quite

1463
00:57:23,589 --> 00:57:21,520
remarkable

1464
00:57:26,789 --> 00:57:23,599
um is that

1465
00:57:28,069 --> 00:57:26,799
there's no record of any of these quarry

1466
00:57:30,390 --> 00:57:28,079
marks

1467
00:57:32,390 --> 00:57:30,400
having been covered by any of this

1468
00:57:33,510 --> 00:57:32,400
slurry

1469
00:57:35,670 --> 00:57:33,520
at all

1470
00:57:37,829 --> 00:57:35,680
you know so you think about this the

1471
00:57:40,309 --> 00:57:37,839
these quarry marks are placed onto the

1472
00:57:42,069 --> 00:57:40,319
blocks at the quarry

1473
00:57:44,630 --> 00:57:42,079
you know so the the marks are on the

1474
00:57:47,670 --> 00:57:44,640
blocks first and then the marks then the

1475
00:57:49,990 --> 00:57:47,680
blocks are shipped to the pyramid site

1476
00:57:51,750 --> 00:57:50,000
you know are maneuvered into place as

1477
00:57:53,750 --> 00:57:51,760
all the slurry

1478
00:57:54,950 --> 00:57:53,760
running down the face of the these

1479
00:57:57,270 --> 00:57:54,960
blocks

1480
00:58:01,430 --> 00:57:57,280
but somehow none of these marks end up

1481
00:58:03,750 --> 00:58:01,440
with any of the slurry on top of them

1482
00:58:05,349 --> 00:58:03,760
now what you also find is that the lower

1483
00:58:06,630 --> 00:58:05,359
chambers

1484
00:58:09,589 --> 00:58:06,640
from from what i've been able to

1485
00:58:12,150 --> 00:58:09,599
research the lower chambers have more

1486
00:58:14,230 --> 00:58:12,160
slurry running down their walls than the

1487
00:58:16,870 --> 00:58:14,240
upper chambers and it's the lower

1488
00:58:18,549 --> 00:58:16,880
chambers that we find the fewest marks

1489
00:58:19,750 --> 00:58:18,559
it's the upper chambers where there's

1490
00:58:21,829 --> 00:58:19,760
the least

1491
00:58:25,990 --> 00:58:21,839
slurry running down the walls that we

1492
00:58:28,470 --> 00:58:26,000
find the most marks you know so that may

1493
00:58:31,030 --> 00:58:28,480
explain why there's fewer marks in the

1494
00:58:33,109 --> 00:58:31,040
lower chambers than than there are in

1495
00:58:35,829 --> 00:58:33,119
the upper chambers you know so when all

1496
00:58:39,670 --> 00:58:35,839
these marks were done vice basically got

1497
00:58:42,230 --> 00:58:39,680
his guys to or mr hill to make copies of

1498
00:58:45,430 --> 00:58:42,240
them some of them are actually um

1499
00:58:47,589 --> 00:58:45,440
um attested to the they got witnesses

1500
00:58:49,990 --> 00:58:47,599
and once had done all these these

1501
00:58:51,829 --> 00:58:50,000
drawings to basically yep that looks

1502
00:58:54,309 --> 00:58:51,839
like that yeah that's good that looks

1503
00:58:55,349 --> 00:58:54,319
like that and they would all sign these

1504
00:58:57,190 --> 00:58:55,359
um

1505
00:58:57,990 --> 00:58:57,200
these uh drawings

1506
00:58:59,910 --> 00:58:58,000
but

1507
00:59:01,750 --> 00:58:59,920
you know basically a testing that they

1508
00:59:03,910 --> 00:59:01,760
were a true lightness to

1509
00:59:06,150 --> 00:59:03,920
to from the similarly to what was on the

1510
00:59:07,990 --> 00:59:06,160
wall blocks so they had all these about

1511
00:59:10,390 --> 00:59:08,000
three or four witnesses you know

1512
00:59:12,150 --> 00:59:10,400
witnessing these these drawings this was

1513
00:59:15,190 --> 00:59:12,160
long after you know that you know

1514
00:59:18,069 --> 00:59:15,200
obviously they had been discovered

1515
00:59:19,910 --> 00:59:18,079
um maybe about a month or so after maybe

1516
00:59:23,109 --> 00:59:19,920
maybe a bit longer after they've been

1517
00:59:25,349 --> 00:59:23,119
discovered um you know so

1518
00:59:27,589 --> 00:59:25,359
the other curious thing

1519
00:59:30,150 --> 00:59:27,599
well what was to happen with these these

1520
00:59:32,470 --> 00:59:30,160
facsimiles is it would be sent to the

1521
00:59:34,470 --> 00:59:32,480
british museum in london and there's

1522
00:59:36,950 --> 00:59:34,480
some experts there that would then take

1523
00:59:38,230 --> 00:59:36,960
them and analyze them and try and decide

1524
00:59:39,910 --> 00:59:38,240
what they were

1525
00:59:43,910 --> 00:59:39,920
but to do that

1526
00:59:46,549 --> 00:59:43,920
to try and analyze these um particular

1527
00:59:49,589 --> 00:59:46,559
similar drawings that mr hill made and

1528
00:59:51,750 --> 00:59:49,599
also for the witnesses to you know be

1529
00:59:53,750 --> 00:59:51,760
able to compare light with light to be

1530
00:59:55,829 --> 00:59:53,760
able to compare this effect similarly

1531
00:59:57,270 --> 00:59:55,839
with the actual markings on the wall

1532
00:59:59,270 --> 00:59:57,280
they would obviously

1533
01:00:01,829 --> 00:59:59,280
what you have to understand is that

1534
01:00:05,190 --> 01:00:01,839
the vast majority of these markings on

1535
01:00:06,789 --> 01:00:05,200
these walls are actually upside down

1536
01:00:08,710 --> 01:00:06,799
yeah they're upside down they're not the

1537
01:00:09,910 --> 01:00:08,720
right way up you know if you're standing

1538
01:00:11,510 --> 01:00:09,920
looking at

1539
01:00:14,309 --> 01:00:11,520
you know these markings in the chamber

1540
01:00:16,950 --> 01:00:14,319
imagine it's the the image of a bird but

1541
01:00:18,950 --> 01:00:16,960
that bird is upside down looking on on

1542
01:00:20,549 --> 01:00:18,960
the wall block as you're standing

1543
01:00:22,710 --> 01:00:20,559
looking at it

1544
01:00:24,470 --> 01:00:22,720
as are most of the other signs

1545
01:00:25,349 --> 01:00:24,480
in these chambers

1546
01:00:28,710 --> 01:00:25,359
and

1547
01:00:30,789 --> 01:00:28,720
the conventional reason for that as um

1548
01:00:32,710 --> 01:00:30,799
the orthodox reason for that is that

1549
01:00:35,190 --> 01:00:32,720
well you know the blocks were you know

1550
01:00:37,349 --> 01:00:35,200
done at the you know cut at the quarries

1551
01:00:39,109 --> 01:00:37,359
they were put on the names were put on

1552
01:00:40,870 --> 01:00:39,119
the blocks the correct way up but when

1553
01:00:43,349 --> 01:00:40,880
they arrived at the pyramid they weren't

1554
01:00:45,829 --> 01:00:43,359
you know the the guys that were placing

1555
01:00:49,109 --> 01:00:45,839
them you know into the actual um the

1556
01:00:51,109 --> 01:00:49,119
final resting place and these chambers

1557
01:00:53,190 --> 01:00:51,119
they weren't concerned about you know

1558
01:00:55,190 --> 01:00:53,200
where these gang names would end up

1559
01:00:57,270 --> 01:00:55,200
they're just interested in getting the

1560
01:00:59,589 --> 01:00:57,280
block into the wall in the most

1561
01:01:01,990 --> 01:00:59,599
efficient manner possible they're not

1562
01:01:03,990 --> 01:01:02,000
concerned about a name being upside down

1563
01:01:06,069 --> 01:01:04,000
or whatever they just want to get the

1564
01:01:07,990 --> 01:01:06,079
block in place as quickly and

1565
01:01:10,789 --> 01:01:08,000
efficiently as possible

1566
01:01:13,190 --> 01:01:10,799
so this is why egyptos says these marks

1567
01:01:14,789 --> 01:01:13,200
are upside down or sideways or or

1568
01:01:16,710 --> 01:01:14,799
whatever

1569
01:01:18,870 --> 01:01:16,720
lumber markings

1570
01:01:21,109 --> 01:01:18,880
yeah yeah so so basically at that point

1571
01:01:23,349 --> 01:01:21,119
you're saying that when they're coring

1572
01:01:25,349 --> 01:01:23,359
the the rocks it doesn't

1573
01:01:27,910 --> 01:01:25,359
they could put the marks on any way they

1574
01:01:29,670 --> 01:01:27,920
need to the block could be upside down

1575
01:01:31,430 --> 01:01:29,680
uh the wrong way what i'm saying yeah

1576
01:01:32,470 --> 01:01:31,440
what i'm saying is they would put

1577
01:01:34,710 --> 01:01:32,480
their name

1578
01:01:36,230 --> 01:01:34,720
their gang name at the quarry they would

1579
01:01:38,710 --> 01:01:36,240
write their name on the block the right

1580
01:01:40,789 --> 01:01:38,720
way up obviously

1581
01:01:43,030 --> 01:01:40,799
but it's only when it arrives at the

1582
01:01:44,950 --> 01:01:43,040
the pyramid site at the chamber you know

1583
01:01:47,109 --> 01:01:44,960
the guys are fitting into place they

1584
01:01:49,430 --> 01:01:47,119
don't care about some crew gang's name

1585
01:01:51,270 --> 01:01:49,440
they just want to get the block in place

1586
01:01:53,430 --> 01:01:51,280
as efficiently as possible they don't

1587
01:01:55,349 --> 01:01:53,440
care of the gang name you know from that

1588
01:01:57,510 --> 01:01:55,359
gang at the quarry ends up upside down

1589
01:01:59,670 --> 01:01:57,520
or sideways or whatever they're not

1590
01:02:02,470 --> 01:01:59,680
interested in that you know so that's

1591
01:02:04,870 --> 01:02:02,480
how the names according the

1592
01:02:09,270 --> 01:02:04,880
the mainstream theory ended up upside

1593
01:02:12,789 --> 01:02:09,280
down within these um chambers but

1594
01:02:15,990 --> 01:02:12,799
from a forder's point of view

1595
01:02:18,950 --> 01:02:16,000
it makes perfect sense to put the marks

1596
01:02:21,030 --> 01:02:18,960
on these walls upside down because if

1597
01:02:24,309 --> 01:02:21,040
you're trying to prove or to make the

1598
01:02:26,870 --> 01:02:24,319
point that these marks are genuine

1599
01:02:28,069 --> 01:02:26,880
okay you have to make it look as if

1600
01:02:30,549 --> 01:02:28,079
these marks

1601
01:02:31,589 --> 01:02:30,559
were done at the quarries

1602
01:02:33,589 --> 01:02:31,599
yeah

1603
01:02:35,109 --> 01:02:33,599
because if the marks look as though

1604
01:02:36,870 --> 01:02:35,119
they've been done at the quarries then

1605
01:02:39,109 --> 01:02:36,880
they're obviously genuine how do you

1606
01:02:41,670 --> 01:02:39,119
make the marks appear as though they

1607
01:02:43,109 --> 01:02:41,680
were painted at the quarries

1608
01:02:46,309 --> 01:02:43,119
upside down

1609
01:02:52,069 --> 01:02:48,789
so essentially um

1610
01:02:54,870 --> 01:02:52,079
that is why most of these these marks

1611
01:02:57,589 --> 01:02:54,880
are painted you know with these weird um

1612
01:02:59,349 --> 01:02:57,599
orientations but here's the thing

1613
01:03:00,789 --> 01:02:59,359
here's the thing that i got into this in

1614
01:03:03,349 --> 01:03:00,799
some detail

1615
01:03:06,950 --> 01:03:03,359
in the book mr hill

1616
01:03:08,470 --> 01:03:06,960
this is um you know vice's um

1617
01:03:13,910 --> 01:03:08,480
you know

1618
01:03:17,589 --> 01:03:13,920
artist he basically recorded all these

1619
01:03:18,549 --> 01:03:17,599
markings on these fix similarly sheets

1620
01:03:21,029 --> 01:03:18,559
he

1621
01:03:22,789 --> 01:03:21,039
made 28

1622
01:03:25,750 --> 01:03:22,799
drawings all together

1623
01:03:28,390 --> 01:03:25,760
now i've analyzed i've i viewed them all

1624
01:03:31,750 --> 01:03:28,400
um you know photographs of them all i've

1625
01:03:34,710 --> 01:03:31,760
analyzed them in some considerable depth

1626
01:03:36,230 --> 01:03:34,720
what i found is i was able to cross

1627
01:03:38,789 --> 01:03:36,240
check

1628
01:03:42,069 --> 01:03:38,799
24 of the 28

1629
01:03:44,870 --> 01:03:42,079
because what i mean by that is a chat

1630
01:03:48,390 --> 01:03:44,880
another chap that worked with face um

1631
01:03:51,430 --> 01:03:48,400
john perring he made a planned survey

1632
01:03:54,390 --> 01:03:51,440
which is in vice's um published book he

1633
01:03:55,750 --> 01:03:54,400
made a planned survey of all these walls

1634
01:03:58,390 --> 01:03:55,760
showing

1635
01:04:00,069 --> 01:03:58,400
the orientations of the marks on the

1636
01:04:01,910 --> 01:04:00,079
walls and you can actually see in

1637
01:04:04,870 --> 01:04:01,920
perring's drawings he's drawn these

1638
01:04:07,270 --> 01:04:04,880
marks upside down sideways a few of them

1639
01:04:09,270 --> 01:04:07,280
the correct way up um you know if you're

1640
01:04:11,190 --> 01:04:09,280
standing looking at them in the chamber

1641
01:04:13,270 --> 01:04:11,200
now so he's done a plan drawing of all

1642
01:04:14,950 --> 01:04:13,280
these chambers all the marks so i was

1643
01:04:16,150 --> 01:04:14,960
able to cross-check

1644
01:04:19,190 --> 01:04:16,160
um

1645
01:04:21,270 --> 01:04:19,200
hill's similar drawings with vice's plan

1646
01:04:22,630 --> 01:04:21,280
survey drawing

1647
01:04:25,029 --> 01:04:22,640
and

1648
01:04:26,390 --> 01:04:25,039
because what i wanted to do

1649
01:04:29,589 --> 01:04:26,400
was check

1650
01:04:31,589 --> 01:04:29,599
um which way around mr hill's facility

1651
01:04:33,750 --> 01:04:31,599
drawings should be

1652
01:04:35,990 --> 01:04:33,760
because you know it's a sheet

1653
01:04:37,270 --> 01:04:36,000
of paper lying on a table which way

1654
01:04:39,349 --> 01:04:37,280
around should it be

1655
01:04:41,589 --> 01:04:39,359
you know because you know

1656
01:04:43,430 --> 01:04:41,599
if you're not familiar with the the

1657
01:04:44,710 --> 01:04:43,440
markings in the chamber which the guys

1658
01:04:46,549 --> 01:04:44,720
in london

1659
01:04:48,470 --> 01:04:46,559
who have sent these facilities at the

1660
01:04:50,150 --> 01:04:48,480
british museum they wouldn't have known

1661
01:04:52,069 --> 01:04:50,160
which way around

1662
01:04:54,789 --> 01:04:52,079
these these um

1663
01:04:56,710 --> 01:04:54,799
similarly sheets should be

1664
01:04:57,990 --> 01:04:56,720
you know um because as i said some of

1665
01:04:59,349 --> 01:04:58,000
them are upside down sideways or

1666
01:05:00,630 --> 01:04:59,359
whatever

1667
01:05:04,549 --> 01:05:00,640
you know so

1668
01:05:07,029 --> 01:05:04,559
but what mr hill did was he signed

1669
01:05:08,390 --> 01:05:07,039
each of the similar sheets with his

1670
01:05:10,309 --> 01:05:08,400
signature

1671
01:05:13,109 --> 01:05:10,319
the right way up giving the correct

1672
01:05:15,270 --> 01:05:13,119
chamber orientation what i mean by that

1673
01:05:16,870 --> 01:05:15,280
is let's say it's a picture of a bird

1674
01:05:17,670 --> 01:05:16,880
and it's upside down

1675
01:05:21,270 --> 01:05:17,680
okay

1676
01:05:23,349 --> 01:05:21,280
so mr hill would turn that page to

1677
01:05:26,549 --> 01:05:23,359
upside down with the check upside down

1678
01:05:28,630 --> 01:05:26,559
and he would sign his name at the bottom

1679
01:05:31,029 --> 01:05:28,640
of that sheet the correct way up with

1680
01:05:33,430 --> 01:05:31,039
the bird upside down every sheet would

1681
01:05:34,230 --> 01:05:33,440
be he would basically use his signature

1682
01:05:37,670 --> 01:05:34,240
to

1683
01:05:39,510 --> 01:05:37,680
as a this way up sign

1684
01:05:42,549 --> 01:05:39,520
do you follow what i mean produce a

1685
01:05:44,630 --> 01:05:42,559
signature yes for for anybody who has

1686
01:05:47,990 --> 01:05:44,640
ever seen a christmas story if they

1687
01:05:49,910 --> 01:05:48,000
write for gla it just means it's italian

1688
01:05:52,549 --> 01:05:49,920
it's a you've ever seen

1689
01:05:53,990 --> 01:05:52,559
i'm sorry it's a christmas movie joke

1690
01:05:55,109 --> 01:05:54,000
very bad pun

1691
01:05:57,029 --> 01:05:55,119
uh

1692
01:05:59,349 --> 01:05:57,039
yeah the the idea of right side up i

1693
01:06:01,589 --> 01:05:59,359
always think of that that um yeah

1694
01:06:06,789 --> 01:06:01,599
you've seen okay good thank god

1695
01:06:13,430 --> 01:06:10,230
on every single one of um hell's um

1696
01:06:15,670 --> 01:06:13,440
facsimile drawings he had this his

1697
01:06:18,710 --> 01:06:15,680
signature he used the signature as a

1698
01:06:22,710 --> 01:06:18,720
this way up sign i was able to check him

1699
01:06:23,829 --> 01:06:22,720
24 out of the 28

1700
01:06:26,230 --> 01:06:23,839
and

1701
01:06:28,230 --> 01:06:26,240
all of them correspond all of them were

1702
01:06:30,390 --> 01:06:28,240
you know i managed to get the the

1703
01:06:32,630 --> 01:06:30,400
correct orientation of those marks as

1704
01:06:33,829 --> 01:06:32,640
they were written on the wall just by

1705
01:06:35,270 --> 01:06:33,839
reading

1706
01:06:36,390 --> 01:06:35,280
mr hill's

1707
01:06:37,670 --> 01:06:36,400
signature

1708
01:06:39,190 --> 01:06:37,680
except

1709
01:06:42,870 --> 01:06:39,200
two of them

1710
01:06:45,190 --> 01:06:42,880
and the two were the khufu cartoos and

1711
01:06:47,430 --> 01:06:45,200
on one page and the other signs which

1712
01:06:49,670 --> 01:06:47,440
make up the rest of that gang name

1713
01:06:51,750 --> 01:06:49,680
of the khufu cartoons

1714
01:06:54,390 --> 01:06:51,760
they were the the signature was in the

1715
01:06:56,789 --> 01:06:54,400
wrong place it was almost as

1716
01:06:58,150 --> 01:06:56,799
you know they'd goofed up there

1717
01:07:01,430 --> 01:06:58,160
they'd goofed up and placing the

1718
01:07:03,750 --> 01:07:01,440
signature on in the wrong place on those

1719
01:07:05,589 --> 01:07:03,760
two particular facility sheets

1720
01:07:07,270 --> 01:07:05,599
and if you look at your probability

1721
01:07:11,349 --> 01:07:07,280
theory you know

1722
01:07:14,870 --> 01:07:11,359
it's pretty certain that hill did use

1723
01:07:17,190 --> 01:07:14,880
this particular technique um to orient

1724
01:07:19,430 --> 01:07:17,200
and to lock in the the

1725
01:07:22,470 --> 01:07:19,440
you know the direction of these

1726
01:07:26,230 --> 01:07:22,480
particular um quarry marks

1727
01:07:27,270 --> 01:07:26,240
and his and his drawings you know so

1728
01:07:28,789 --> 01:07:27,280
there again

1729
01:07:31,109 --> 01:07:28,799
it's just another

1730
01:07:33,829 --> 01:07:31,119
piece of evidence that points to the

1731
01:07:37,109 --> 01:07:33,839
fact that that khufu cartouche in the

1732
01:07:39,750 --> 01:07:37,119
topmost chamber is fraudulent as well as

1733
01:07:43,270 --> 01:07:39,760
a whole load of of other um

1734
01:07:44,710 --> 01:07:43,280
evidence um that i present in the book

1735
01:07:45,670 --> 01:07:44,720
now what would have been the outcome for

1736
01:07:47,750 --> 01:07:45,680
him

1737
01:07:51,670 --> 01:07:47,760
like why would he

1738
01:07:54,069 --> 01:07:51,680
besides the fact that he is just

1739
01:07:55,589 --> 01:07:54,079
has been uh you know allegedly as a lyme

1740
01:07:57,670 --> 01:07:55,599
bastard as it were

1741
01:07:58,549 --> 01:07:57,680
can or a crooked bastard when it comes

1742
01:08:01,510 --> 01:07:58,559
to

1743
01:08:03,430 --> 01:08:01,520
uh his political career why the hell

1744
01:08:04,789 --> 01:08:03,440
would he have

1745
01:08:06,789 --> 01:08:04,799
forged

1746
01:08:09,109 --> 01:08:06,799
all of this besides the fact like

1747
01:08:12,230 --> 01:08:09,119
besides the investment like what was the

1748
01:08:13,750 --> 01:08:12,240
end goal right okay well

1749
01:08:15,910 --> 01:08:13,760
obviously the investment's a big

1750
01:08:18,149 --> 01:08:15,920
consideration personal

1751
01:08:21,990 --> 01:08:18,159
notoriety you know

1752
01:08:22,870 --> 01:08:22,000
fame is another possibility um

1753
01:08:25,430 --> 01:08:22,880
you know

1754
01:08:27,189 --> 01:08:25,440
prestige no national pride possibly

1755
01:08:29,749 --> 01:08:27,199
another possibility

1756
01:08:32,390 --> 01:08:29,759
um but the thing i think is probably

1757
01:08:35,030 --> 01:08:32,400
maybe the most likely possibly it's hard

1758
01:08:37,430 --> 01:08:35,040
to know what the his actual motivations

1759
01:08:39,990 --> 01:08:37,440
would have been in this chris but the

1760
01:08:40,870 --> 01:08:40,000
thing i think possibly is because vice

1761
01:08:44,550 --> 01:08:40,880
was

1762
01:08:47,269 --> 01:08:44,560
a particularly um religious man

1763
01:08:49,030 --> 01:08:47,279
he wanted to make there's a story that

1764
01:08:53,349 --> 01:08:49,040
um i don't know if you're familiar with

1765
01:08:55,269 --> 01:08:53,359
this that um some polio um when you know

1766
01:08:59,189 --> 01:08:55,279
the the chap who cracked the

1767
01:09:01,110 --> 01:08:59,199
hieroglyphics um about 15 years before

1768
01:09:02,390 --> 01:09:01,120
vice

1769
01:09:05,349 --> 01:09:02,400
he

1770
01:09:07,430 --> 01:09:05,359
was basically funded on a trip

1771
01:09:08,229 --> 01:09:07,440
um to egypt

1772
01:09:09,189 --> 01:09:08,239
and

1773
01:09:11,110 --> 01:09:09,199
you know

1774
01:09:13,990 --> 01:09:11,120
it was passed the trip his trip was

1775
01:09:15,110 --> 01:09:14,000
partially funded by the catholic church

1776
01:09:15,990 --> 01:09:15,120
oh

1777
01:09:17,510 --> 01:09:16,000
yeah

1778
01:09:20,630 --> 01:09:17,520
now

1779
01:09:22,709 --> 01:09:20,640
on the proviso they they provided you

1780
01:09:26,390 --> 01:09:22,719
know funds for this trip

1781
01:09:28,630 --> 01:09:26,400
on the proviso that he did not divulge

1782
01:09:30,709 --> 01:09:28,640
any information or discoveries which

1783
01:09:33,189 --> 01:09:30,719
would undermine the authority of the

1784
01:09:34,709 --> 01:09:33,199
church or the teachings of the church

1785
01:09:37,269 --> 01:09:34,719
okay

1786
01:09:38,950 --> 01:09:37,279
i think possibly there was a similar

1787
01:09:40,149 --> 01:09:38,960
thing going on

1788
01:09:41,349 --> 01:09:40,159
with vice

1789
01:09:44,390 --> 01:09:41,359
vice

1790
01:09:46,470 --> 01:09:44,400
knew the importance of a cartouche he

1791
01:09:48,950 --> 01:09:46,480
knew a cartridge

1792
01:09:50,950 --> 01:09:48,960
allowed things to be dated

1793
01:09:51,749 --> 01:09:50,960
to be locked to be a date to be locked

1794
01:09:54,709 --> 01:09:51,759
in

1795
01:09:55,750 --> 01:09:54,719
and vice you know he would not have

1796
01:09:58,550 --> 01:09:55,760
wanted

1797
01:10:02,709 --> 01:09:58,560
the pyramids to be considered

1798
01:10:05,830 --> 01:10:02,719
to be you know older than the creation

1799
01:10:07,830 --> 01:10:05,840
yep so he was basically by placing

1800
01:10:10,950 --> 01:10:07,840
um these cartouches within these

1801
01:10:12,630 --> 01:10:10,960
chambers he's basically saying you know

1802
01:10:15,590 --> 01:10:12,640
this is this cartouche we know when this

1803
01:10:17,270 --> 01:10:15,600
guy lived you know it's well within the

1804
01:10:19,110 --> 01:10:17,280
creation you know so he's he's

1805
01:10:22,550 --> 01:10:19,120
effectively um

1806
01:10:26,550 --> 01:10:22,560
claiming the pyramid um you know within

1807
01:10:29,030 --> 01:10:26,560
god's provenance if you like um you know

1808
01:10:32,709 --> 01:10:29,040
purely i think as a result of of his

1809
01:10:34,550 --> 01:10:32,719
religious beliefs no one now can say

1810
01:10:36,550 --> 01:10:34,560
that the pyramid is older than the

1811
01:10:38,950 --> 01:10:36,560
creation he wanted to make sure that

1812
01:10:41,590 --> 01:10:38,960
that could never

1813
01:10:44,709 --> 01:10:41,600
ever occur

1814
01:10:50,149 --> 01:10:47,030
i know that you are uh familiar with

1815
01:10:52,630 --> 01:10:50,159
with robert volswork or uh john anthony

1816
01:10:53,669 --> 01:10:52,640
west's work or

1817
01:10:55,669 --> 01:10:53,679
with uh

1818
01:10:57,430 --> 01:10:55,679
dr robert shark's work

1819
01:10:59,270 --> 01:10:57,440
the idea of the pyramid being older than

1820
01:11:01,350 --> 01:10:59,280
it actually is

1821
01:11:02,149 --> 01:11:01,360
and again i know that robert vivald is

1822
01:11:04,630 --> 01:11:02,159
um

1823
01:11:07,110 --> 01:11:04,640
a proponent of the standard dating or at

1824
01:11:09,350 --> 01:11:07,120
least around that i you know like around

1825
01:11:10,470 --> 01:11:09,360
that standard dating of the pyramids

1826
01:11:12,310 --> 01:11:10,480
um

1827
01:11:14,470 --> 01:11:12,320
are are you familiar with with david

1828
01:11:15,910 --> 01:11:14,480
roll's work

1829
01:11:18,550 --> 01:11:15,920
um i've

1830
01:11:20,950 --> 01:11:18,560
i've read some of david's work a number

1831
01:11:23,110 --> 01:11:20,960
of years ago um and

1832
01:11:24,390 --> 01:11:23,120
has basically you know his new

1833
01:11:28,709 --> 01:11:24,400
chronology

1834
01:11:30,870 --> 01:11:28,719
um of um the egyptian dynasties and

1835
01:11:34,390 --> 01:11:30,880
you know and relating that i think back

1836
01:11:37,189 --> 01:11:34,400
to to biblical chronology as well

1837
01:11:38,149 --> 01:11:37,199
um but i'm not greatly um familiar with

1838
01:11:40,709 --> 01:11:38,159
it

1839
01:11:42,790 --> 01:11:40,719
okay we we've had like i've had befall

1840
01:11:44,950 --> 01:11:42,800
on the show i've had roll on the show

1841
01:11:46,950 --> 01:11:44,960
and like one of the the the key themes

1842
01:11:48,950 --> 01:11:46,960
that we're trying to do is connect the

1843
01:11:50,950 --> 01:11:48,960
dots as it were to try and find the

1844
01:11:52,470 --> 01:11:50,960
common theme the common truth we're

1845
01:11:53,750 --> 01:11:52,480
trying to get to the bottom of of of

1846
01:11:56,149 --> 01:11:53,760
history and you know everything just

1847
01:11:58,149 --> 01:11:56,159
kind of keeps leading back to egypt

1848
01:12:00,790 --> 01:11:58,159
um the interesting thing that roll had

1849
01:12:03,189 --> 01:12:00,800
said and like paval is a proponent of

1850
01:12:05,350 --> 01:12:03,199
the orion correlation and that's been

1851
01:12:07,350 --> 01:12:05,360
proven through some italian universities

1852
01:12:09,189 --> 01:12:07,360
or at least like they're they're

1853
01:12:11,830 --> 01:12:09,199
you know saying that it's it's true

1854
01:12:15,590 --> 01:12:11,840
um whether the pyramid is built in 2500

1855
01:12:17,430 --> 01:12:15,600
bc or not the mounds themselves

1856
01:12:19,350 --> 01:12:17,440
were in place and this is something that

1857
01:12:21,270 --> 01:12:19,360
role has said uh when we had him on the

1858
01:12:23,350 --> 01:12:21,280
show in like what was that february

1859
01:12:24,470 --> 01:12:23,360
march

1860
01:12:27,830 --> 01:12:24,480
you

1861
01:12:29,750 --> 01:12:27,840
think at the time

1862
01:12:31,189 --> 01:12:29,760
um and he had said that no the mountains

1863
01:12:33,270 --> 01:12:31,199
were there and they were set out you

1864
01:12:34,870 --> 01:12:33,280
know pre-dynastically

1865
01:12:37,990 --> 01:12:34,880
so

1866
01:12:39,030 --> 01:12:38,000
i can understand the idea of trying to

1867
01:12:41,910 --> 01:12:39,040
uh

1868
01:12:46,149 --> 01:12:43,669
to speak against what the evidence could

1869
01:12:47,590 --> 01:12:46,159
potentially say to try and create the

1870
01:12:49,830 --> 01:12:47,600
narrative or continue the narrative

1871
01:12:51,189 --> 01:12:49,840
based on whether it's the you know the

1872
01:12:53,110 --> 01:12:51,199
church or

1873
01:12:54,630 --> 01:12:53,120
certain understandings that okay the you

1874
01:12:55,750 --> 01:12:54,640
know the world is only six thousand

1875
01:12:56,630 --> 01:12:55,760
years old

1876
01:12:59,189 --> 01:12:56,640
when

1877
01:13:00,390 --> 01:12:59,199
you know six thousand years ago or or

1878
01:13:01,910 --> 01:13:00,400
more you know whether it's twelve

1879
01:13:04,470 --> 01:13:01,920
thousand twenty four thousand depending

1880
01:13:05,990 --> 01:13:04,480
on who you actually believe

1881
01:13:07,669 --> 01:13:06,000
that these

1882
01:13:09,510 --> 01:13:07,679
whether it's the pyramids themselves or

1883
01:13:11,510 --> 01:13:09,520
the structures that they were built on

1884
01:13:13,189 --> 01:13:11,520
the areas they were built on were there

1885
01:13:15,030 --> 01:13:13,199
thousands of years before the pyramids

1886
01:13:16,630 --> 01:13:15,040
were actually there

1887
01:13:19,990 --> 01:13:16,640
so

1888
01:13:22,390 --> 01:13:20,000
the idea that they were trying to

1889
01:13:24,229 --> 01:13:22,400
kind of fake the information

1890
01:13:26,630 --> 01:13:24,239
is this something that could have been

1891
01:13:28,310 --> 01:13:26,640
coming from a much higher source like

1892
01:13:32,390 --> 01:13:28,320
and again i'm not much for conspiracy

1893
01:13:35,110 --> 01:13:32,400
but ancient conspiracy sure why not um

1894
01:13:37,350 --> 01:13:35,120
did somebody tell him to do this or is

1895
01:13:38,630 --> 01:13:37,360
there any indication that he had this

1896
01:13:39,510 --> 01:13:38,640
agenda

1897
01:13:41,669 --> 01:13:39,520
yeah

1898
01:13:44,470 --> 01:13:41,679
it's

1899
01:13:46,310 --> 01:13:44,480
certainly an interesting question chris

1900
01:13:49,669 --> 01:13:46,320
is something

1901
01:13:51,110 --> 01:13:49,679
which has in fact crossed my own mind

1902
01:13:54,630 --> 01:13:51,120
um

1903
01:13:57,350 --> 01:13:54,640
maybe if i you get the time i will

1904
01:13:59,270 --> 01:13:57,360
dig deeper into that particular aspect

1905
01:14:00,950 --> 01:13:59,280
but i see what you're driving at and

1906
01:14:03,669 --> 01:14:00,960
know what you're driving at

1907
01:14:05,189 --> 01:14:03,679
there may well have been you know other

1908
01:14:07,669 --> 01:14:05,199
influences there

1909
01:14:10,630 --> 01:14:07,679
um to

1910
01:14:13,990 --> 01:14:10,640
for vice and maybe that is why

1911
01:14:15,030 --> 01:14:14,000
funding wasn't so much an issue um you

1912
01:14:23,830 --> 01:14:15,040
know

1913
01:14:26,550 --> 01:14:23,840
certainly um would be an intriguing area

1914
01:14:28,310 --> 01:14:26,560
of research certainly given um what we

1915
01:14:32,070 --> 01:14:28,320
know of um

1916
01:14:34,149 --> 01:14:32,080
some polio experience

1917
01:14:36,310 --> 01:14:34,159
and third party agendas

1918
01:14:38,630 --> 01:14:36,320
well that that's kind of the idea i like

1919
01:14:41,350 --> 01:14:38,640
now the this is kind of like for me it's

1920
01:14:43,110 --> 01:14:41,360
uncovering the possibility of a

1921
01:14:44,390 --> 01:14:43,120
uh

1922
01:14:46,149 --> 01:14:44,400
i'm going to say whether it's a personal

1923
01:14:48,550 --> 01:14:46,159
agenda or the possibility of a secondary

1924
01:14:50,149 --> 01:14:48,560
agenda and again i i'm a conspiracy buff

1925
01:14:51,430 --> 01:14:50,159
like most other people are and it's

1926
01:14:53,430 --> 01:14:51,440
always a matter of speculation you're

1927
01:14:55,430 --> 01:14:53,440
always going to speculate and

1928
01:14:57,030 --> 01:14:55,440
this is a possibility who knows that you

1929
01:14:59,750 --> 01:14:57,040
know there's no writing there's no

1930
01:15:01,350 --> 01:14:59,760
there's no um absolute proof

1931
01:15:03,030 --> 01:15:01,360
but the fact that he faked it is is an

1932
01:15:04,390 --> 01:15:03,040
indication that he was tr he had an

1933
01:15:07,189 --> 01:15:04,400
agenda of some kind

1934
01:15:10,470 --> 01:15:07,199
now yeah he may he may he may well have

1935
01:15:14,390 --> 01:15:10,480
gone to egypt with this agenda all the

1936
01:15:19,189 --> 01:15:14,400
time he may well have gone to egypt with

1937
01:15:19,990 --> 01:15:19,199
the right information um but you know

1938
01:15:23,510 --> 01:15:20,000
the

1939
01:15:26,630 --> 01:15:23,520
i haven't uncovered any evidence of that

1940
01:15:29,590 --> 01:15:26,640
um so far so i you know i can't

1941
01:15:32,550 --> 01:15:29,600
um say one way really or the other

1942
01:15:35,430 --> 01:15:32,560
um but it certainly um would make an

1943
01:15:37,189 --> 01:15:35,440
interesting line of inquiry

1944
01:15:39,270 --> 01:15:37,199
well if you give you uh another idea for

1945
01:15:41,110 --> 01:15:39,280
a book please

1946
01:15:41,770 --> 01:15:41,120
do remember it's in the foreword

1947
01:15:43,189 --> 01:15:41,780
well you know

1948
01:15:45,189 --> 01:15:43,199
[Laughter]

1949
01:15:47,910 --> 01:15:45,199
the next book i'm kind of actually

1950
01:15:49,110 --> 01:15:47,920
already starting to work on it

1951
01:15:51,590 --> 01:15:49,120
since it

1952
01:15:53,189 --> 01:15:51,600
since the last book um and i finished

1953
01:15:55,669 --> 01:15:53,199
that of course

1954
01:15:56,790 --> 01:15:55,679
um sometime in the middle of of last

1955
01:15:58,149 --> 01:15:56,800
year

1956
01:16:00,390 --> 01:15:58,159
and

1957
01:16:01,350 --> 01:16:00,400
you know the book was locked down then

1958
01:16:02,630 --> 01:16:01,360
and

1959
01:16:05,030 --> 01:16:02,640
since it's been locked down you know

1960
01:16:07,590 --> 01:16:05,040
there's this idea chris that when a

1961
01:16:09,510 --> 01:16:07,600
theory is right

1962
01:16:12,070 --> 01:16:09,520
you tend to find

1963
01:16:15,510 --> 01:16:12,080
more and more evidence to support the

1964
01:16:18,550 --> 01:16:15,520
theory but if a theory is wrong

1965
01:16:20,790 --> 01:16:18,560
you tend not to find it much evidence to

1966
01:16:23,270 --> 01:16:20,800
support it in fact you tend to find

1967
01:16:25,910 --> 01:16:23,280
evidence that contradicts it

1968
01:16:27,270 --> 01:16:25,920
well since the book was locked down

1969
01:16:28,550 --> 01:16:27,280
last june

1970
01:16:31,910 --> 01:16:28,560
last year

1971
01:16:35,990 --> 01:16:31,920
i've been finding more and more evidence

1972
01:16:37,669 --> 01:16:36,000
to support um the the fraud theory

1973
01:16:39,750 --> 01:16:37,679
and so um

1974
01:16:43,430 --> 01:16:39,760
i may well but the you know next year or

1975
01:16:45,510 --> 01:16:43,440
so haven't covered enough to do a sequel

1976
01:16:47,590 --> 01:16:45,520
to the great pyramid hoax

1977
01:16:48,470 --> 01:16:47,600
so that's that's that's one of my hopes

1978
01:16:49,430 --> 01:16:48,480
anyway

1979
01:16:50,870 --> 01:16:49,440
okay

1980
01:16:51,669 --> 01:16:50,880
well

1981
01:16:53,350 --> 01:16:51,679
you know

1982
01:16:54,470 --> 01:16:53,360
if if you're finding more research i i'm

1983
01:16:57,750 --> 01:16:54,480
not sure how much you're willing to

1984
01:17:00,550 --> 01:16:57,760
divulge on this show i know that um

1985
01:17:03,030 --> 01:17:00,560
we tend to go fairly deep on subjects

1986
01:17:04,310 --> 01:17:03,040
here and sometimes and laird would be a

1987
01:17:06,149 --> 01:17:04,320
good proponent of that where we

1988
01:17:07,750 --> 01:17:06,159
basically hammered him with questions

1989
01:17:09,669 --> 01:17:07,760
for four hours to the point where he

1990
01:17:11,030 --> 01:17:09,679
said this is my next two books guys i

1991
01:17:13,189 --> 01:17:11,040
can't really talk about this at the

1992
01:17:15,110 --> 01:17:13,199
moment

1993
01:17:17,030 --> 01:17:15,120
well snap

1994
01:17:19,189 --> 01:17:17,040
well you know we'll we'll we'll see

1995
01:17:20,229 --> 01:17:19,199
where the the the story takes us uh alex

1996
01:17:21,590 --> 01:17:20,239
you're looking at me like you got

1997
01:17:24,229 --> 01:17:21,600
something

1998
01:17:25,750 --> 01:17:24,239
no no you're fine okay now looking back

1999
01:17:27,750 --> 01:17:25,760
over the notes here all the names to

2000
01:17:29,910 --> 01:17:27,760
research now it

2001
01:17:31,590 --> 01:17:29,920
how much like your your main area of

2002
01:17:33,990 --> 01:17:31,600
research is the

2003
01:17:35,270 --> 01:17:34,000
specifically towards uh

2004
01:17:37,189 --> 01:17:35,280
towards uh

2005
01:17:38,950 --> 01:17:37,199
richard howard vices and he's got like

2006
01:17:40,709 --> 01:17:38,960
four names at this point but i'm going

2007
01:17:42,870 --> 01:17:40,719
to say like you know

2008
01:17:46,790 --> 01:17:42,880
i'm just going to say vice for now

2009
01:17:48,550 --> 01:17:46,800
uh is his forgery of a potential forgery

2010
01:17:49,830 --> 01:17:48,560
of this

2011
01:17:51,750 --> 01:17:49,840
uh

2012
01:17:52,709 --> 01:17:51,760
of the cartouche now how have you looked

2013
01:17:54,870 --> 01:17:52,719
into

2014
01:17:55,590 --> 01:17:54,880
the pyramid construction theories at all

2015
01:17:58,070 --> 01:17:55,600
or

2016
01:18:01,270 --> 01:17:58,080
has your research led you into learning

2017
01:18:03,830 --> 01:18:01,280
how the pyramid was constructed

2018
01:18:07,110 --> 01:18:03,840
well i go into that

2019
01:18:09,750 --> 01:18:07,120
in my previous book actually um chris

2020
01:18:12,790 --> 01:18:09,760
the secret chamber of osiris the lost

2021
01:18:16,870 --> 01:18:12,800
knowledge of the 16 pyramids um i go

2022
01:18:20,550 --> 01:18:16,880
into well it's just purely my own um

2023
01:18:22,630 --> 01:18:20,560
you know theory um as to how um i think

2024
01:18:24,149 --> 01:18:22,640
the may have been built as i say it's

2025
01:18:25,270 --> 01:18:24,159
purely just

2026
01:18:27,910 --> 01:18:25,280
a theory

2027
01:18:29,910 --> 01:18:27,920
um and you know

2028
01:18:32,709 --> 01:18:29,920
my theory i mean it's obviously it's

2029
01:18:33,990 --> 01:18:32,719
entirely speculative although

2030
01:18:35,750 --> 01:18:34,000
what i would say is there is some

2031
01:18:36,950 --> 01:18:35,760
physical evidence which does seem to

2032
01:18:39,910 --> 01:18:36,960
support it

2033
01:18:42,470 --> 01:18:39,920
um i should say here also that you know

2034
01:18:45,510 --> 01:18:42,480
i suspect a variety

2035
01:18:48,470 --> 01:18:45,520
of techniques were probably used um to

2036
01:18:50,310 --> 01:18:48,480
build um the pyramids but um what what i

2037
01:18:51,510 --> 01:18:50,320
will say is that giant ramps you know

2038
01:18:53,669 --> 01:18:51,520
i've got

2039
01:18:56,630 --> 01:18:53,679
real difficulty you know with that

2040
01:18:58,310 --> 01:18:56,640
particular ideas constructing those

2041
01:19:00,390 --> 01:18:58,320
giant ramps would have been as big a

2042
01:19:01,990 --> 01:19:00,400
project you know as building the

2043
01:19:04,390 --> 01:19:02,000
pyramids themselves

2044
01:19:07,830 --> 01:19:04,400
and i think in any case even today

2045
01:19:10,550 --> 01:19:07,840
mainstream egyptology you know um they

2046
01:19:13,990 --> 01:19:10,560
no longer really accept you know massive

2047
01:19:16,070 --> 01:19:14,000
these massive straight on ramps as as a

2048
01:19:17,430 --> 01:19:16,080
viable proposition

2049
01:19:22,790 --> 01:19:17,440
um

2050
01:19:25,350 --> 01:19:22,800
i think there's one clue

2051
01:19:26,790 --> 01:19:25,360
that hints how the pyramids were built

2052
01:19:29,669 --> 01:19:26,800
okay

2053
01:19:33,030 --> 01:19:29,679
and that comes to us that comes is from

2054
01:19:34,630 --> 01:19:33,040
an ancient egyptian legend that tells us

2055
01:19:36,870 --> 01:19:34,640
that the pyramid

2056
01:19:39,750 --> 01:19:36,880
uh the pyramids were built

2057
01:19:42,470 --> 01:19:39,760
with flying stones okay

2058
01:19:45,750 --> 01:19:42,480
the stones of the pyramid were flown

2059
01:19:48,390 --> 01:19:45,760
into place okay

2060
01:19:49,430 --> 01:19:48,400
now that may seem a bit far-fetched you

2061
01:19:54,310 --> 01:19:49,440
know

2062
01:19:56,870 --> 01:19:54,320
theories some mundane some

2063
01:19:58,950 --> 01:19:56,880
more sort of exotic to try and explain

2064
01:20:01,030 --> 01:19:58,960
you know what this actually meant

2065
01:20:03,270 --> 01:20:01,040
you know well having explored the giza

2066
01:20:06,149 --> 01:20:03,280
plateau myself um

2067
01:20:07,030 --> 01:20:06,159
i came across a number of curious sort

2068
01:20:09,910 --> 01:20:07,040
of

2069
01:20:12,950 --> 01:20:09,920
these pets these vertical pits

2070
01:20:15,750 --> 01:20:12,960
dug deep down into the limestone bedrock

2071
01:20:17,110 --> 01:20:15,760
now these pits they're about 15 to 20

2072
01:20:19,030 --> 01:20:17,120
feet deep

2073
01:20:21,350 --> 01:20:19,040
and you know that mostly they were

2074
01:20:23,750 --> 01:20:21,360
placed parallel to each other and had a

2075
01:20:26,149 --> 01:20:23,760
small connecting channel at the bottom

2076
01:20:27,750 --> 01:20:26,159
of the pit you know kind of connecting

2077
01:20:30,390 --> 01:20:27,760
them like um

2078
01:20:33,189 --> 01:20:30,400
a sort of a u-shape okay

2079
01:20:35,270 --> 01:20:33,199
now for some time you know i wondered

2080
01:20:36,790 --> 01:20:35,280
what the purpose um

2081
01:20:40,070 --> 01:20:36,800
of these these

2082
01:20:42,229 --> 01:20:40,080
parallel shafts or pits could have been

2083
01:20:45,830 --> 01:20:42,239
and then one day i saw i was watching a

2084
01:20:48,310 --> 01:20:45,840
tv documentary um here in glasgow and it

2085
01:20:49,830 --> 01:20:48,320
was talking i was explaining about um i

2086
01:20:51,910 --> 01:20:49,840
don't know if you've ever heard them

2087
01:20:54,790 --> 01:20:51,920
chris um

2088
01:20:55,669 --> 01:20:54,800
the dakota fire pit you ever heard of

2089
01:20:59,350 --> 01:20:55,679
that

2090
01:21:00,950 --> 01:20:59,360
i've i've heard of it i'm just um

2091
01:21:02,070 --> 01:21:00,960
okay

2092
01:21:04,630 --> 01:21:02,080
i can't recall

2093
01:21:07,030 --> 01:21:04,640
okay well basically the the dakota fire

2094
01:21:09,510 --> 01:21:07,040
pit it's it's basically two pits small

2095
01:21:11,430 --> 01:21:09,520
pits dug side by side into the ground

2096
01:21:13,830 --> 01:21:11,440
into the earth with a small connecting

2097
01:21:16,630 --> 01:21:13,840
tunnel at the bottom and one of the pits

2098
01:21:19,430 --> 01:21:16,640
of fire is lit and because of the

2099
01:21:22,390 --> 01:21:19,440
horizontal connecting tunnel cold air is

2100
01:21:26,149 --> 01:21:22,400
pulled in from the other parallel pit or

2101
01:21:27,030 --> 01:21:26,159
shaft creating a convection current yeah

2102
01:21:29,830 --> 01:21:27,040
so

2103
01:21:31,750 --> 01:21:29,840
these type of fires um

2104
01:21:34,790 --> 01:21:31,760
you know the burn really really

2105
01:21:36,470 --> 01:21:34,800
efficiently which reduce the amount of

2106
01:21:38,950 --> 01:21:36,480
smoke generated

2107
01:21:41,590 --> 01:21:38,960
and they also burn much hotter as the

2108
01:21:43,669 --> 01:21:41,600
pit protects them um from the prevail

2109
01:21:45,590 --> 01:21:43,679
prevailing weather conditions

2110
01:21:48,070 --> 01:21:45,600
outside the the pit

2111
01:21:49,830 --> 01:21:48,080
but i wonder you know

2112
01:21:52,870 --> 01:21:49,840
why would the ancient egyptians need

2113
01:21:53,830 --> 01:21:52,880
such massive dakota fire pits

2114
01:21:55,990 --> 01:21:53,840
because

2115
01:21:59,350 --> 01:21:56,000
you know i was seeing these all over

2116
01:22:02,229 --> 01:21:59,360
the giza plateau why why would they need

2117
01:22:05,910 --> 01:22:02,239
a really efficient and very hot fire

2118
01:22:09,270 --> 01:22:05,920
burning deep down in a limestone pit

2119
01:22:11,270 --> 01:22:09,280
and then an idea came to me okay

2120
01:22:14,070 --> 01:22:11,280
okay right so you were saying let us

2121
01:22:16,390 --> 01:22:14,080
know talk about their ideas yeah you

2122
01:22:17,910 --> 01:22:16,400
know well let's let's let's go for it

2123
01:22:20,950 --> 01:22:17,920
okay

2124
01:22:22,310 --> 01:22:20,960
straight to the skyhook argument yeah

2125
01:22:26,950 --> 01:22:22,320
i was doing

2126
01:22:28,470 --> 01:22:26,960
the temple of hathor at dindera you know

2127
01:22:30,870 --> 01:22:28,480
this is the you've probably seen this

2128
01:22:32,790 --> 01:22:30,880
it's the the temple we find the famous

2129
01:22:35,669 --> 01:22:32,800
dendera light bulb

2130
01:22:37,990 --> 01:22:35,679
yeah you know the one i mean yep

2131
01:22:41,030 --> 01:22:38,000
um well the thing about this particular

2132
01:22:43,750 --> 01:22:41,040
scene in that temple is that the main

2133
01:22:46,390 --> 01:22:43,760
deities depicted in the scene are the

2134
01:22:47,350 --> 01:22:46,400
goddess of the air and the god of the

2135
01:22:48,629 --> 01:22:47,360
sky

2136
01:22:51,270 --> 01:22:48,639
okay

2137
01:22:55,830 --> 01:22:51,280
now the text alongside this particular

2138
01:22:58,390 --> 01:22:55,840
scene the talk also of the sky carriers

2139
01:23:00,390 --> 01:22:58,400
i thought what could that mean

2140
01:23:04,149 --> 01:23:00,400
so when i looked at the scene more

2141
01:23:05,830 --> 01:23:04,159
closely it seemed to me that this

2142
01:23:06,629 --> 01:23:05,840
you know the so-called light bulb you

2143
01:23:09,430 --> 01:23:06,639
know

2144
01:23:12,629 --> 01:23:09,440
um which which egyptologists believe

2145
01:23:15,270 --> 01:23:12,639
symbolizes the sky god horus being born

2146
01:23:17,510 --> 01:23:15,280
from a lotus flower okay that's the

2147
01:23:19,830 --> 01:23:17,520
conventional interpretation of that

2148
01:23:21,990 --> 01:23:19,840
particular scene now what i'm thinking

2149
01:23:25,350 --> 01:23:22,000
what we're seeing was actually

2150
01:23:27,910 --> 01:23:25,360
you know it's a horizontal um balloon

2151
01:23:31,110 --> 01:23:27,920
being filled with hot air

2152
01:23:31,910 --> 01:23:31,120
yeah well this completely contradicts

2153
01:23:41,510 --> 01:23:31,920
the

2154
01:23:43,270 --> 01:23:41,520
light bulb

2155
01:23:45,590 --> 01:23:43,280
imagine it's a balloon and not a light

2156
01:23:49,350 --> 01:23:45,600
bulb the snake within the balloon

2157
01:23:52,229 --> 01:23:49,360
symbolizes the goddess of air okay

2158
01:23:54,870 --> 01:23:52,239
and what you see also in other parts of

2159
01:23:57,750 --> 01:23:54,880
this temple at dandera is that these

2160
01:23:59,350 --> 01:23:57,760
same balloon type images

2161
01:24:00,470 --> 01:23:59,360
are now depicted

2162
01:24:02,629 --> 01:24:00,480
upright

2163
01:24:05,270 --> 01:24:02,639
you know in the dandera the large

2164
01:24:07,110 --> 01:24:05,280
balloon is horizontal but in other parts

2165
01:24:09,030 --> 01:24:07,120
of this temple

2166
01:24:12,470 --> 01:24:09,040
there's other of these

2167
01:24:15,189 --> 01:24:12,480
um balloon type shapes but they're

2168
01:24:19,030 --> 01:24:15,199
depicted upright and they carry below

2169
01:24:21,350 --> 01:24:19,040
them what looks like a basket of stones

2170
01:24:23,830 --> 01:24:21,360
okay so i thought

2171
01:24:25,510 --> 01:24:23,840
could a simple hot air balloon

2172
01:24:26,870 --> 01:24:25,520
have been used to raise the pyramid

2173
01:24:29,830 --> 01:24:26,880
stones

2174
01:24:32,310 --> 01:24:29,840
and i did the calculations and you know

2175
01:24:34,870 --> 01:24:32,320
basic calculations show that a spherical

2176
01:24:37,590 --> 01:24:34,880
balloon of a hundred feet diameter would

2177
01:24:39,430 --> 01:24:37,600
have sufficient lift to raise two

2178
01:24:41,030 --> 01:24:39,440
average pyramid blocks

2179
01:24:43,350 --> 01:24:41,040
obviously plus the weight of the balloon

2180
01:24:45,830 --> 01:24:43,360
material itself you know

2181
01:24:48,310 --> 01:24:45,840
and keep in mind here guys keep in mind

2182
01:24:51,270 --> 01:24:48,320
okay i know we're we're flying out there

2183
01:24:53,669 --> 01:24:51,280
but but keep in mind that that's okay

2184
01:24:55,350 --> 01:24:53,679
when the mcgoffey brothers created their

2185
01:24:59,750 --> 01:24:55,360
first hot-air balloon in the 18th

2186
01:25:02,310 --> 01:24:59,760
century it was made from paper and linen

2187
01:25:04,629 --> 01:25:02,320
and these just happened to be materials

2188
01:25:07,350 --> 01:25:04,639
the ancient egyptians invented

2189
01:25:09,189 --> 01:25:07,360
so hey why not

2190
01:25:10,709 --> 01:25:09,199
built by zeppelin you know i've heard

2191
01:25:12,870 --> 01:25:10,719
the water theory i've heard the internal

2192
01:25:15,189 --> 01:25:12,880
ramp theory i've heard the external ramp

2193
01:25:18,310 --> 01:25:15,199
theory i've heard the stone and chisel

2194
01:25:19,990 --> 01:25:18,320
theory this is actually new

2195
01:25:22,550 --> 01:25:20,000
nobody's putting pulleys on the bottom

2196
01:25:23,669 --> 01:25:22,560
of ufos

2197
01:25:26,070 --> 01:25:23,679
well you know

2198
01:25:28,550 --> 01:25:26,080
i i always try and start chris i always

2199
01:25:30,550 --> 01:25:28,560
try and start from the premise of

2200
01:25:32,470 --> 01:25:30,560
you know what are we told about how they

2201
01:25:34,629 --> 01:25:32,480
were built and what we were told from

2202
01:25:37,669 --> 01:25:34,639
this ancient legend is that the

2203
01:25:39,430 --> 01:25:37,679
the stones were flown into place

2204
01:25:41,030 --> 01:25:39,440
so i'm thinking well

2205
01:25:43,030 --> 01:25:41,040
how can we do that you know without

2206
01:25:44,550 --> 01:25:43,040
getting into some exotic

2207
01:25:48,390 --> 01:25:44,560
vibrational

2208
01:25:51,270 --> 01:25:48,400
um type scenario some exotic signs how

2209
01:25:52,790 --> 01:25:51,280
can we use basic signs to make stones

2210
01:25:55,189 --> 01:25:52,800
fly into place

2211
01:25:56,310 --> 01:25:55,199
and then i saw that that balloon type

2212
01:25:59,110 --> 01:25:56,320
shape you know

2213
01:26:00,950 --> 01:25:59,120
it's line horizontal and then it looks

2214
01:26:03,590 --> 01:26:00,960
like it's being inflated there's a long

2215
01:26:06,790 --> 01:26:03,600
sort of hose type thing going into it

2216
01:26:09,590 --> 01:26:06,800
the snake inside is a god of air

2217
01:26:11,270 --> 01:26:09,600
yeah and then you see them vertical with

2218
01:26:13,110 --> 01:26:11,280
what looks like stones being carried

2219
01:26:14,070 --> 01:26:13,120
beneath them you know so i thought well

2220
01:26:16,390 --> 01:26:14,080
you know

2221
01:26:17,189 --> 01:26:16,400
who knows perhaps there's maybe

2222
01:26:19,430 --> 01:26:17,199
um

2223
01:26:20,550 --> 01:26:19,440
no it's very easy to see

2224
01:26:22,950 --> 01:26:20,560
that

2225
01:26:25,030 --> 01:26:22,960
hot air makes things rise you just have

2226
01:26:26,310 --> 01:26:25,040
to you know see ashes

2227
01:26:28,390 --> 01:26:26,320
in a fire

2228
01:26:29,990 --> 01:26:28,400
you know what causes these ashes you

2229
01:26:33,350 --> 01:26:30,000
just have to ask that question what

2230
01:26:35,189 --> 01:26:33,360
causes these these ashes to rise up

2231
01:26:37,110 --> 01:26:35,199
within the flames of the fire what

2232
01:26:39,669 --> 01:26:37,120
causes that as soon as you ask that

2233
01:26:41,990 --> 01:26:39,679
question you can start experimenting and

2234
01:26:43,910 --> 01:26:42,000
it's easily enough discovered

2235
01:26:46,229 --> 01:26:43,920
doesn't the word pyramid mean fire

2236
01:26:48,790 --> 01:26:46,239
within

2237
01:26:50,950 --> 01:26:48,800
well that's one of the the i think the

2238
01:26:54,149 --> 01:26:50,960
the greek um

2239
01:26:55,669 --> 01:26:54,159
interpretations of alex yeah

2240
01:26:57,270 --> 01:26:55,679
you know what i i have to say is that

2241
01:26:59,030 --> 01:26:57,280
for for the people in the youtube chat

2242
01:27:02,070 --> 01:26:59,040
who are like going [\h__\h] we're gonna get

2243
01:27:04,149 --> 01:27:02,080
some aliens now like no no guys this is

2244
01:27:06,390 --> 01:27:04,159
hot air balloons yes the same kind of

2245
01:27:09,590 --> 01:27:06,400
balloons i i will make

2246
01:27:11,510 --> 01:27:09,600
this weekend into like a dog or a pony

2247
01:27:14,550 --> 01:27:11,520
yeah listen they were happy birthday

2248
01:27:16,229 --> 01:27:14,560
khufu balloons actually

2249
01:27:19,030 --> 01:27:16,239
guys think about it think about it it

2250
01:27:21,510 --> 01:27:19,040
would make a great history or history

2251
01:27:23,270 --> 01:27:21,520
channel documentary or discovery channel

2252
01:27:24,870 --> 01:27:23,280
documentary you know this thing out

2253
01:27:26,629 --> 01:27:24,880
there at the giza plateau you know

2254
01:27:28,870 --> 01:27:26,639
you've got these big blocks you're

2255
01:27:31,030 --> 01:27:28,880
making this this massive balloon of

2256
01:27:33,270 --> 01:27:31,040
primitive materials and you're trying to

2257
01:27:35,510 --> 01:27:33,280
get this thing to lift just you know

2258
01:27:37,430 --> 01:27:35,520
with a big fire and a

2259
01:27:38,950 --> 01:27:37,440
pet you know 15 feet deep and you're

2260
01:27:40,950 --> 01:27:38,960
trying to get you know

2261
01:27:42,550 --> 01:27:40,960
think about it be great fun i think

2262
01:27:45,750 --> 01:27:42,560
think about it this way we actually have

2263
01:27:47,270 --> 01:27:45,760
viewers who have their wives on like

2264
01:27:49,990 --> 01:27:47,280
stuck next to them right now because of

2265
01:27:52,149 --> 01:27:50,000
your accent you can make any

2266
01:27:55,110 --> 01:27:52,159
indications

2267
01:27:56,070 --> 01:27:55,120
where are the ancient dirigible balloons

2268
01:27:57,590 --> 01:27:56,080
now

2269
01:28:01,030 --> 01:27:57,600
listen i've done that

2270
01:28:03,590 --> 01:28:01,040
i've done a youtube video of it um i

2271
01:28:05,430 --> 01:28:03,600
think it's the the flying balloons of

2272
01:28:08,149 --> 01:28:05,440
ancient egypt something like that you

2273
01:28:10,229 --> 01:28:08,159
can go onto youtube and put my name in

2274
01:28:12,229 --> 01:28:10,239
and hot air balloon or something like i

2275
01:28:12,950 --> 01:28:12,239
can't remember the title of the video

2276
01:28:15,270 --> 01:28:12,960
but

2277
01:28:17,189 --> 01:28:15,280
i did it a couple of years back so your

2278
01:28:19,830 --> 01:28:17,199
your listeners can go on and google and

2279
01:28:21,750 --> 01:28:19,840
it's got a small video presentation of

2280
01:28:23,189 --> 01:28:21,760
of how the whole thing would work

2281
01:28:26,709 --> 01:28:23,199
you wouldn't be the first author we had

2282
01:28:26,719 --> 01:28:32,629
okay

2283
01:28:36,790 --> 01:28:34,950
april fool's day i i i don't it's a good

2284
01:28:38,229 --> 01:28:36,800
theory i like it well this is the first

2285
01:28:39,750 --> 01:28:38,239
pun that actually makes sense that alex

2286
01:28:42,390 --> 01:28:39,760
has given out in quite some time so i'm

2287
01:28:44,470 --> 01:28:42,400
actually quite impressed

2288
01:28:45,189 --> 01:28:44,480
well slept today watch out oh there we

2289
01:28:46,310 --> 01:28:45,199
go

2290
01:28:48,229 --> 01:28:46,320
um

2291
01:28:49,030 --> 01:28:48,239
so that's my theory

2292
01:28:50,870 --> 01:28:49,040
on

2293
01:28:53,590 --> 01:28:50,880
how they may have been built i'm not

2294
01:28:55,590 --> 01:28:53,600
insisting it's right absolutely not but

2295
01:28:57,510 --> 01:28:55,600
hey you know

2296
01:28:59,669 --> 01:28:57,520
know there's a it's a possibility to

2297
01:29:02,229 --> 01:28:59,679
chuck into the pot why not

2298
01:29:03,750 --> 01:29:02,239
well it it has like oh this is my thing

2299
01:29:05,030 --> 01:29:03,760
thank you for it well no thank you very

2300
01:29:07,430 --> 01:29:05,040
much

2301
01:29:09,590 --> 01:29:07,440
we had uh stephen myers on on the show

2302
01:29:11,750 --> 01:29:09,600
back at uh middle of march i think it

2303
01:29:14,070 --> 01:29:11,760
was yeah middle of march

2304
01:29:14,870 --> 01:29:14,080
and his proponent he's a proponent of

2305
01:29:15,830 --> 01:29:14,880
the

2306
01:29:20,390 --> 01:29:15,840
um

2307
01:29:21,189 --> 01:29:20,400
lock theory like the water yeah yeah i i

2308
01:29:27,110 --> 01:29:21,199
i

2309
01:29:29,910 --> 01:29:27,120
water locks

2310
01:29:32,870 --> 01:29:29,920
why would they have needed

2311
01:29:35,350 --> 01:29:32,880
slurry to move the blocks into place now

2312
01:29:37,189 --> 01:29:35,360
i'm i'm kind of you know i'm in

2313
01:29:39,350 --> 01:29:37,199
not like in my old age and becoming kind

2314
01:29:41,430 --> 01:29:39,360
of a skeptic as it were like not really

2315
01:29:43,669 --> 01:29:41,440
a skeptic i i just look at all the

2316
01:29:46,229 --> 01:29:43,679
information to me what is most rational

2317
01:29:47,830 --> 01:29:46,239
based on what i've i've seen uh the air

2318
01:29:50,390 --> 01:29:47,840
balloon theory it's a possibility

2319
01:29:51,270 --> 01:29:50,400
because like [\h__\h] who else hasn't you

2320
01:29:52,790 --> 01:29:51,280
know

2321
01:29:54,390 --> 01:29:52,800
tied something to an air balloon and

2322
01:29:55,510 --> 01:29:54,400
toss it up into the sky i've done it

2323
01:29:56,470 --> 01:29:55,520
myself

2324
01:29:58,310 --> 01:29:56,480
um

2325
01:29:59,350 --> 01:29:58,320
but the inner ramp theory is something

2326
01:30:01,750 --> 01:29:59,360
that

2327
01:30:03,750 --> 01:30:01,760
i i've been kind of a proponent of

2328
01:30:05,189 --> 01:30:03,760
because it's the most rational to me

2329
01:30:07,590 --> 01:30:05,199
like the hardcore

2330
01:30:10,470 --> 01:30:07,600
um technological from what they actually

2331
01:30:12,550 --> 01:30:10,480
had available and easiest to actually do

2332
01:30:15,750 --> 01:30:12,560
but yeah it's used in the pyramid as

2333
01:30:18,550 --> 01:30:15,760
itself yeah as as the ramp yeah you know

2334
01:30:20,149 --> 01:30:18,560
as as it's being built you know

2335
01:30:22,229 --> 01:30:20,159
really find evidence for that when they

2336
01:30:24,390 --> 01:30:22,239
do they like the penetrating radar and

2337
01:30:25,510 --> 01:30:24,400
the pyramid structure like you'd find

2338
01:30:26,470 --> 01:30:25,520
the pyramid

2339
01:30:28,950 --> 01:30:26,480
you'd find

2340
01:30:30,390 --> 01:30:28,960
still inside yeah can a spiral there's a

2341
01:30:32,149 --> 01:30:30,400
kind of spiral

2342
01:30:33,430 --> 01:30:32,159
why could they have done both how do you

2343
01:30:35,830 --> 01:30:33,440
think there should be

2344
01:30:38,310 --> 01:30:35,840
evidence for that that should be visible

2345
01:30:40,310 --> 01:30:38,320
are the capstones easy with a balloon oh

2346
01:30:42,149 --> 01:30:40,320
exactly just like you you have four

2347
01:30:43,350 --> 01:30:42,159
people on like with long strings you

2348
01:30:44,070 --> 01:30:43,360
maneuver into place and you're good to

2349
01:30:46,790 --> 01:30:44,080
go

2350
01:30:49,030 --> 01:30:46,800
well i i i talk about a guy roll because

2351
01:30:51,189 --> 01:30:49,040
you don't want your your stone just

2352
01:30:53,990 --> 01:30:51,199
flying off into the deep blue yonder and

2353
01:30:55,669 --> 01:30:54,000
landing and some pure egyptians hut

2354
01:30:57,830 --> 01:30:55,679
somewhere you know so that's why they

2355
01:30:59,990 --> 01:30:57,840
had to trademark the blocks in case they

2356
01:31:02,950 --> 01:31:00,000
flew off into another country and this

2357
01:31:08,070 --> 01:31:02,960
this is how the pyramids in uh in koosh

2358
01:31:10,550 --> 01:31:08,950
now

2359
01:31:12,790 --> 01:31:10,560
the the new book that's coming out like

2360
01:31:15,590 --> 01:31:12,800
let's i know we've got about um it's

2361
01:31:17,030 --> 01:31:15,600
about 10 10 03 p.m here what time is it

2362
01:31:19,430 --> 01:31:17,040
there scott

2363
01:31:21,910 --> 01:31:19,440
oh goodness it's uh just just after

2364
01:31:23,350 --> 01:31:21,920
three a.m and three a.m in the morning

2365
01:31:25,910 --> 01:31:23,360
well we have about half an hour left on

2366
01:31:27,350 --> 01:31:25,920
this show so let's talk about the new

2367
01:31:29,750 --> 01:31:27,360
book just a little bit to try and give

2368
01:31:31,430 --> 01:31:29,760
people a teaser a little bit of a taste

2369
01:31:33,430 --> 01:31:31,440
you know like what what what their

2370
01:31:34,870 --> 01:31:33,440
palettes a little bit so that they know

2371
01:31:37,910 --> 01:31:34,880
what's coming out now

2372
01:31:39,350 --> 01:31:37,920
the new research what have

2373
01:31:41,990 --> 01:31:39,360
you found just give give us a little

2374
01:31:44,950 --> 01:31:42,000
taste on that

2375
01:31:47,590 --> 01:31:44,960
this is the current research i'm doing

2376
01:31:49,990 --> 01:31:47,600
well it's um a lot of it's or a

2377
01:31:51,350 --> 01:31:50,000
considerable amount of it is to do with

2378
01:31:54,149 --> 01:31:51,360
um

2379
01:31:56,629 --> 01:31:54,159
the paintings that mr hill

2380
01:31:59,189 --> 01:31:56,639
did at the british or that are now in

2381
01:32:01,910 --> 01:31:59,199
the british museum and there's a lot of

2382
01:32:04,229 --> 01:32:01,920
evidence in those paintings

2383
01:32:05,430 --> 01:32:04,239
um that their

2384
01:32:09,189 --> 01:32:05,440
marks are

2385
01:32:14,229 --> 01:32:11,350
okay i can't say any more than that damn

2386
01:32:18,709 --> 01:32:17,430
and there's a whole load of other stuff

2387
01:32:22,070 --> 01:32:18,719
that i've

2388
01:32:23,830 --> 01:32:22,080
uncovered you know um

2389
01:32:25,030 --> 01:32:23,840
give us an idea when is the book coming

2390
01:32:25,830 --> 01:32:25,040
out

2391
01:32:27,910 --> 01:32:25,840
well

2392
01:32:30,709 --> 01:32:27,920
i'm honestly

2393
01:32:32,390 --> 01:32:30,719
just now chris is really very much the

2394
01:32:34,629 --> 01:32:32,400
research stage

2395
01:32:37,030 --> 01:32:34,639
um that's that's you know i haven't even

2396
01:32:39,990 --> 01:32:37,040
begat obviously i'm writing my notes and

2397
01:32:41,110 --> 01:32:40,000
stuff but um i've not even began to

2398
01:32:43,030 --> 01:32:41,120
structure

2399
01:32:45,350 --> 01:32:43,040
the book i haven't even you know began

2400
01:32:46,070 --> 01:32:45,360
to to to write the first paragraph of it

2401
01:32:49,189 --> 01:32:46,080
yet

2402
01:32:51,030 --> 01:32:49,199
but you know it's definitely um you know

2403
01:32:54,149 --> 01:32:51,040
it's definitely in

2404
01:32:56,470 --> 01:32:54,159
the pipeline um but it's probably you

2405
01:32:58,790 --> 01:32:56,480
know at least at least

2406
01:33:02,070 --> 01:32:58,800
two maybe even three years away you know

2407
01:33:04,149 --> 01:33:02,080
it's that early in in in the process

2408
01:33:05,830 --> 01:33:04,159
you know the the last book or the

2409
01:33:08,390 --> 01:33:05,840
current book i should say the great

2410
01:33:11,189 --> 01:33:08,400
pyramid hoax you know that that's been

2411
01:33:14,149 --> 01:33:11,199
on the go for you know probably about

2412
01:33:16,950 --> 01:33:14,159
four years or um and it only just came

2413
01:33:19,270 --> 01:33:16,960
out um a few months ago you know so

2414
01:33:22,709 --> 01:33:19,280
that's um it's a lot of research goes

2415
01:33:25,110 --> 01:33:22,719
into these these things obviously

2416
01:33:26,550 --> 01:33:25,120
well well well scott um when the book

2417
01:33:27,830 --> 01:33:26,560
comes out and we're we're going to keep

2418
01:33:28,790 --> 01:33:27,840
you on the line for a bit here and i

2419
01:33:31,590 --> 01:33:28,800
know we're going to be going into our

2420
01:33:33,990 --> 01:33:31,600
last uh segment here for the show

2421
01:33:35,830 --> 01:33:34,000
when the book comes in aliens oh god in

2422
01:33:37,189 --> 01:33:35,840
heaven okay that's actually one thing i

2423
01:33:38,629 --> 01:33:37,199
want to talk because we're we're trying

2424
01:33:42,070 --> 01:33:38,639
to get um i'm trying to make sure that

2425
01:33:43,990 --> 01:33:42,080
that denver is um is ready for we we do

2426
01:33:46,470 --> 01:33:44,000
this entire sandwich contest

2427
01:33:48,149 --> 01:33:46,480
uh the basic premise is uh one of our

2428
01:33:50,149 --> 01:33:48,159
good friends for the show he is a

2429
01:33:51,830 --> 01:33:50,159
cryptozoologist uh and he goes out in

2430
01:33:54,709 --> 01:33:51,840
the field a lot so we want to make sure

2431
01:33:57,189 --> 01:33:54,719
he's very well fed so we're sending

2432
01:33:59,270 --> 01:33:57,199
we asked our listeners to send us in

2433
01:34:01,590 --> 01:33:59,280
sandwich recipes that he will try out

2434
01:34:03,030 --> 01:34:01,600
while he's out in the field

2435
01:34:04,790 --> 01:34:03,040
and then he's going to grade them in the

2436
01:34:07,750 --> 01:34:04,800
one person who has the best sandwich

2437
01:34:08,950 --> 01:34:07,760
wins so that's our last segment of the

2438
01:34:11,430 --> 01:34:08,960
show

2439
01:34:14,229 --> 01:34:11,440
i think we could segue into mono atomic

2440
01:34:17,110 --> 01:34:14,239
filled sky balloons oh god in heaven not

2441
01:34:19,430 --> 01:34:17,120
the monotonic gold again damn it alex

2442
01:34:21,430 --> 01:34:19,440
um okay here's another thing with the

2443
01:34:23,430 --> 01:34:21,440
water pump theory what is it what what

2444
01:34:24,870 --> 01:34:23,440
is your your your idea on that you've

2445
01:34:26,390 --> 01:34:24,880
been to the pyramid you've been there

2446
01:34:27,270 --> 01:34:26,400
what is your

2447
01:34:29,750 --> 01:34:27,280
your

2448
01:34:31,189 --> 01:34:29,760
thoughts on the pyramid is a water pump

2449
01:34:37,750 --> 01:34:31,199
or the function

2450
01:34:42,390 --> 01:34:41,510
i think um was it cadman the um

2451
01:34:43,990 --> 01:34:42,400
we actually

2452
01:34:46,629 --> 01:34:44,000
yeah we have one next week

2453
01:34:49,830 --> 01:34:46,639
yeah and that proposed that he made a

2454
01:34:52,870 --> 01:34:49,840
working model um i think it was a ram a

2455
01:34:55,430 --> 01:34:52,880
ram pump something like that um

2456
01:34:57,350 --> 01:34:55,440
yeah that works you know um

2457
01:34:59,510 --> 01:34:57,360
he's done a small working model would

2458
01:35:03,110 --> 01:34:59,520
that work in you know something like the

2459
01:35:03,910 --> 01:35:03,120
the pyramid i i don't know um you know

2460
01:35:07,830 --> 01:35:03,920
what

2461
01:35:08,790 --> 01:35:07,840
ask is um

2462
01:35:11,270 --> 01:35:08,800
why

2463
01:35:12,790 --> 01:35:11,280
you know having all the pyramids been

2464
01:35:15,990 --> 01:35:12,800
designed like that

2465
01:35:16,790 --> 01:35:16,000
you know you know were they all pumps

2466
01:35:18,550 --> 01:35:16,800
and

2467
01:35:20,870 --> 01:35:18,560
you know is it just a great pyramid

2468
01:35:22,709 --> 01:35:20,880
that's a pump i would say why why

2469
01:35:24,950 --> 01:35:22,719
wouldn't all the pyramids be a pump

2470
01:35:27,510 --> 01:35:24,960
anchor water is not an irrigation system

2471
01:35:30,310 --> 01:35:27,520
oh no but at the same time like a i

2472
01:35:31,830 --> 01:35:30,320
think it's doug keane who's uh a patreon

2473
01:35:33,910 --> 01:35:31,840
of the show and again i'm not going to

2474
01:35:34,950 --> 01:35:33,920
talk well of him because he's a patreon

2475
01:35:37,350 --> 01:35:34,960
of the show

2476
01:35:39,350 --> 01:35:37,360
but at the same time he did state the

2477
01:35:40,470 --> 01:35:39,360
possibility of

2478
01:35:44,149 --> 01:35:40,480
um

2479
01:35:46,470 --> 01:35:44,159
that the great pyramid using the

2480
01:35:48,470 --> 01:35:46,480
whatever it did

2481
01:35:50,310 --> 01:35:48,480
essentially was the sender whereas a

2482
01:35:51,030 --> 01:35:50,320
conference pyramid was a receiver to try

2483
01:35:52,950 --> 01:35:51,040
and

2484
01:35:55,750 --> 01:35:52,960
um create a machine to

2485
01:35:57,270 --> 01:35:55,760
essentially map or like use it as a as

2486
01:35:59,590 --> 01:35:57,280
an x-ray image like not an extra machine

2487
01:36:01,669 --> 01:35:59,600
but like a radar machine to map the size

2488
01:36:05,590 --> 01:36:01,679
of the inner solar system as it were

2489
01:36:09,590 --> 01:36:05,600
like kind of a of an astronomical device

2490
01:36:13,590 --> 01:36:12,229
at the same time uh like we've had

2491
01:36:16,629 --> 01:36:13,600
like well i should say i have all on the

2492
01:36:18,709 --> 01:36:16,639
show i had a an impromptu um uh show

2493
01:36:20,149 --> 01:36:18,719
with him a couple weeks ago and he

2494
01:36:23,110 --> 01:36:20,159
stated there's a possibility that the

2495
01:36:26,070 --> 01:36:23,120
pyramid was just like a 3d printed

2496
01:36:28,390 --> 01:36:26,080
uh you know like a a blueprint kind of

2497
01:36:29,430 --> 01:36:28,400
like a a machine that we should build in

2498
01:36:31,669 --> 01:36:29,440
the future

2499
01:36:33,510 --> 01:36:31,679
so there's all of these theories

2500
01:36:36,470 --> 01:36:33,520
yeah but the thing is though

2501
01:36:39,669 --> 01:36:36,480
the thing is so chris um i think i think

2502
01:36:42,709 --> 01:36:39,679
what you know any theorist

2503
01:36:44,149 --> 01:36:42,719
has to properly do is to consider not

2504
01:36:46,629 --> 01:36:44,159
just the great pyramid to have to

2505
01:36:49,270 --> 01:36:46,639
consider all the pyramids this is what

2506
01:36:52,790 --> 01:36:49,280
i'm saying my my last book was the

2507
01:36:54,629 --> 01:36:52,800
secret chamber of not my last bit my

2508
01:36:56,550 --> 01:36:54,639
my current books the great pyramid talks

2509
01:36:58,709 --> 01:36:56,560
the one before that and the secret

2510
01:37:01,430 --> 01:36:58,719
chamber of osiris the lost knowledge of

2511
01:37:04,390 --> 01:37:01,440
the 16 pyramids you know so i'm talking

2512
01:37:06,310 --> 01:37:04,400
about all the pyramids that were built

2513
01:37:09,430 --> 01:37:06,320
in the old kingdom you know the very

2514
01:37:11,910 --> 01:37:09,440
first 16 pyramids that were built and i

2515
01:37:14,709 --> 01:37:11,920
explained why they were all built not

2516
01:37:17,910 --> 01:37:14,719
just one of them the great pyramid you

2517
01:37:19,830 --> 01:37:17,920
know and any theorist has to do the same

2518
01:37:22,070 --> 01:37:19,840
they can't just pick the great pyramid

2519
01:37:25,590 --> 01:37:22,080
because oh it's most mysterious it's the

2520
01:37:27,590 --> 01:37:25,600
most intricate and complex pyramid they

2521
01:37:28,790 --> 01:37:27,600
have to explain you know

2522
01:37:33,669 --> 01:37:28,800
you know

2523
01:37:36,310 --> 01:37:33,679
g2 that's the second pyramid at giza

2524
01:37:37,910 --> 01:37:36,320
you know that's just almost just as big

2525
01:37:40,470 --> 01:37:37,920
as the great pyramid not quite as

2526
01:37:42,550 --> 01:37:40,480
complex inside but it's almost just as

2527
01:37:44,310 --> 01:37:42,560
massive a project as a great pyramid you

2528
01:37:46,790 --> 01:37:44,320
know you have to explain and there's

2529
01:37:48,709 --> 01:37:46,800
there's other pyramids you know that

2530
01:37:50,470 --> 01:37:48,719
a bit smaller but not that much smaller

2531
01:37:54,550 --> 01:37:50,480
than the great pyramid you know at

2532
01:37:57,510 --> 01:37:54,560
dasher and places like that you know so

2533
01:37:59,030 --> 01:37:57,520
you know any theory has to explain

2534
01:38:01,510 --> 01:37:59,040
the entire

2535
01:38:03,910 --> 01:38:01,520
culture the reason why they built all

2536
01:38:08,790 --> 01:38:03,920
these pyramids not just one of them and

2537
01:38:09,990 --> 01:38:08,800
that's what i try to do um in my work

2538
01:38:11,510 --> 01:38:10,000
and

2539
01:38:13,109 --> 01:38:11,520
that's kind of the main reason why we

2540
01:38:15,270 --> 01:38:13,119
want it in the show because you actually

2541
01:38:18,870 --> 01:38:15,280
do kind of tie all that in

2542
01:38:20,470 --> 01:38:18,880
yeah the function was

2543
01:38:21,590 --> 01:38:20,480
everyone has a different theory but

2544
01:38:23,830 --> 01:38:21,600
still well

2545
01:38:27,430 --> 01:38:23,840
well if you look at um

2546
01:38:29,430 --> 01:38:27,440
you know what the ancient egyptians

2547
01:38:32,070 --> 01:38:29,440
tell us

2548
01:38:32,950 --> 01:38:32,080
you know you have um

2549
01:38:34,629 --> 01:38:32,960
there's this

2550
01:38:36,950 --> 01:38:34,639
alternative there's an alternative

2551
01:38:39,590 --> 01:38:36,960
narrative that's been handed down to us

2552
01:38:41,990 --> 01:38:39,600
about um the pyramids um and this

2553
01:38:44,310 --> 01:38:42,000
basically comes from arabic sources

2554
01:38:46,709 --> 01:38:44,320
okay now we don't really know how old

2555
01:38:48,790 --> 01:38:46,719
these stories are but my guess is that

2556
01:38:51,030 --> 01:38:48,800
they're probably tens of thousands of

2557
01:38:54,070 --> 01:38:51,040
years old because in my opinion the

2558
01:38:57,109 --> 01:38:54,080
pyramids um the first 16 pyramids anyway

2559
01:39:00,470 --> 01:38:57,119
the giant pyramids of ancient egypt are

2560
01:39:01,430 --> 01:39:00,480
at least 20 000 years old

2561
01:39:03,510 --> 01:39:01,440
okay

2562
01:39:04,550 --> 01:39:03,520
they are much much older

2563
01:39:07,030 --> 01:39:04,560
than

2564
01:39:09,990 --> 01:39:07,040
conventional egyptologists tell us

2565
01:39:12,709 --> 01:39:10,000
they're older than even hancock or baval

2566
01:39:14,709 --> 01:39:12,719
they go back to maybe eleven and a half

2567
01:39:16,550 --> 01:39:14,719
thousand years ago ten thousand five

2568
01:39:19,109 --> 01:39:16,560
hundred bc something like that you know

2569
01:39:21,189 --> 01:39:19,119
they're even older than that okay let's

2570
01:39:22,950 --> 01:39:21,199
say granted what were they used for

2571
01:39:26,390 --> 01:39:22,960
twenty thousand years ago

2572
01:39:28,550 --> 01:39:26,400
okay they were basically um

2573
01:39:29,510 --> 01:39:28,560
a recovery system

2574
01:39:33,109 --> 01:39:29,520
for

2575
01:39:35,430 --> 01:39:33,119
this is a misconception that

2576
01:39:38,070 --> 01:39:35,440
egyptologists have made that the the

2577
01:39:40,390 --> 01:39:38,080
pyramids where the rebirth machine if

2578
01:39:42,149 --> 01:39:40,400
you like for the king's soul they

2579
01:39:43,830 --> 01:39:42,159
weren't they were the reb they were

2580
01:39:45,910 --> 01:39:43,840
rebirth machines yeah but not for the

2581
01:39:49,430 --> 01:39:45,920
king but for the kingdom

2582
01:39:51,510 --> 01:39:49,440
okay the ancient egyptians believed

2583
01:39:53,350 --> 01:39:51,520
um that their kingdom

2584
01:39:54,390 --> 01:39:53,360
was

2585
01:39:56,950 --> 01:39:54,400
um

2586
01:39:59,430 --> 01:39:56,960
basically going to be destroyed by a

2587
01:40:00,950 --> 01:39:59,440
massive inundation a great flood and the

2588
01:40:03,189 --> 01:40:00,960
ancient egyptians have got texts that

2589
01:40:06,310 --> 01:40:03,199
talk about this okay

2590
01:40:08,229 --> 01:40:06,320
and there was a king soured when

2591
01:40:10,390 --> 01:40:08,239
something basically happened in the sky

2592
01:40:13,189 --> 01:40:10,400
the stars moved out of their normal

2593
01:40:15,669 --> 01:40:13,199
course across the sky and the king the

2594
01:40:17,430 --> 01:40:15,679
ancient egyptian king soured he asked

2595
01:40:19,430 --> 01:40:17,440
his astronomer priests what does this

2596
01:40:22,229 --> 01:40:19,440
mean what does this mean and they said

2597
01:40:24,709 --> 01:40:22,239
in 300 years time there will be a flood

2598
01:40:25,830 --> 01:40:24,719
which will destroy the entire kingdom

2599
01:40:30,149 --> 01:40:25,840
okay

2600
01:40:31,910 --> 01:40:30,159
in that case we are going to build

2601
01:40:33,270 --> 01:40:31,920
pyramids giant pyramids that can

2602
01:40:36,229 --> 01:40:33,280
withstand

2603
01:40:38,390 --> 01:40:36,239
you know the worst effects of this flood

2604
01:40:40,709 --> 01:40:38,400
and they're going to be so strong

2605
01:40:42,870 --> 01:40:40,719
they can withstand the waters of this

2606
01:40:45,109 --> 01:40:42,880
flood and inside these pyramids we are

2607
01:40:48,149 --> 01:40:45,119
going to place everything that the

2608
01:40:50,390 --> 01:40:48,159
kingdom needs to be reborn again after

2609
01:40:52,229 --> 01:40:50,400
the worst effects of this flood have

2610
01:40:54,870 --> 01:40:52,239
come to pass

2611
01:40:56,709 --> 01:40:54,880
and would inside these pyramids they

2612
01:41:00,149 --> 01:40:56,719
would put all manner of

2613
01:41:02,149 --> 01:41:00,159
seed types um grains

2614
01:41:04,790 --> 01:41:02,159
all different grains all different seeds

2615
01:41:08,229 --> 01:41:04,800
they would put all different parts and

2616
01:41:10,709 --> 01:41:08,239
tools weapons even knowledge they would

2617
01:41:13,669 --> 01:41:10,719
build into these pyramids and place

2618
01:41:16,629 --> 01:41:13,679
everything within them like a capsule

2619
01:41:19,270 --> 01:41:16,639
yeah now it's not such a strange idea

2620
01:41:21,750 --> 01:41:19,280
because our own civilization has very

2621
01:41:24,950 --> 01:41:21,760
recently done something very similar up

2622
01:41:27,510 --> 01:41:24,960
in svalbard um in the arctic circle

2623
01:41:30,870 --> 01:41:27,520
there's a global seed vault and i think

2624
01:41:32,870 --> 01:41:30,880
it was opened in 2008 and inside that we

2625
01:41:35,830 --> 01:41:32,880
have placed every single seed type there

2626
01:41:37,830 --> 01:41:35,840
is in the world inside that vault

2627
01:41:40,310 --> 01:41:37,840
and we've sealed it

2628
01:41:42,470 --> 01:41:40,320
now i don't know well

2629
01:41:45,109 --> 01:41:42,480
it's been done in case of

2630
01:41:47,350 --> 01:41:45,119
some natural disaster or some man-made

2631
01:41:49,350 --> 01:41:47,360
disaster to the earth so our own

2632
01:41:52,390 --> 01:41:49,360
civilization has done the very same

2633
01:41:54,790 --> 01:41:52,400
thing that the ancient egyptians um

2634
01:41:57,430 --> 01:41:54,800
have done as well explain all this in

2635
01:41:58,950 --> 01:41:57,440
the secret chamber of osiris but the

2636
01:42:01,430 --> 01:41:58,960
thing is as well

2637
01:42:04,470 --> 01:42:01,440
if you look at the actual evidence

2638
01:42:06,870 --> 01:42:04,480
what you find is below the very first

2639
01:42:09,750 --> 01:42:06,880
pyramid

2640
01:42:10,629 --> 01:42:09,760
the found massive amounts of grain

2641
01:42:12,310 --> 01:42:10,639
you know

2642
01:42:13,510 --> 01:42:12,320
that's the step the step pyramid at

2643
01:42:15,669 --> 01:42:13,520
sakara

2644
01:42:18,390 --> 01:42:15,679
the very first explorers of that in the

2645
01:42:19,990 --> 01:42:18,400
early 20th century they were walking up

2646
01:42:21,350 --> 01:42:20,000
to their knees

2647
01:42:23,669 --> 01:42:21,360
in grain

2648
01:42:26,629 --> 01:42:23,679
through all the passageways underneath

2649
01:42:29,830 --> 01:42:26,639
that pyramid they found thousands tens

2650
01:42:31,990 --> 01:42:29,840
of thousands of ports and tools and all

2651
01:42:35,510 --> 01:42:32,000
sorts of things under that pyramid these

2652
01:42:38,629 --> 01:42:35,520
were found in galleries um you know that

2653
01:42:40,310 --> 01:42:38,639
probably um hadn't quite been opened but

2654
01:42:42,629 --> 01:42:40,320
were all in ancient times but were

2655
01:42:43,830 --> 01:42:42,639
opened in more recent times

2656
01:42:45,750 --> 01:42:43,840
okay so

2657
01:42:48,709 --> 01:42:45,760
the great pyramid there's secondary

2658
01:42:50,229 --> 01:42:48,719
evidence that it once stored massive

2659
01:42:52,310 --> 01:42:50,239
amounts of grain

2660
01:42:56,310 --> 01:42:52,320
and this is probably where this whole

2661
01:42:57,189 --> 01:42:56,320
idea of the pyramids as the you know the

2662
01:43:00,790 --> 01:42:57,199
uh

2663
01:43:02,870 --> 01:43:00,800
jacob's um great granaries came from

2664
01:43:04,950 --> 01:43:02,880
it's it's just become mixed up there

2665
01:43:05,990 --> 01:43:04,960
weren't granaries per se

2666
01:43:08,470 --> 01:43:06,000
they were

2667
01:43:09,510 --> 01:43:08,480
seat vaults not to feed the entire

2668
01:43:11,750 --> 01:43:09,520
country

2669
01:43:13,669 --> 01:43:11,760
we're not saying that because that's not

2670
01:43:16,629 --> 01:43:13,679
i think what the egyptians believe with

2671
01:43:18,790 --> 01:43:16,639
this particular narrative that it's

2672
01:43:20,709 --> 01:43:18,800
enough to restart

2673
01:43:22,709 --> 01:43:20,719
the civilization again

2674
01:43:25,030 --> 01:43:22,719
you know because they believe most of it

2675
01:43:27,189 --> 01:43:25,040
would probably be destroyed

2676
01:43:30,149 --> 01:43:27,199
and this is why you find all these boat

2677
01:43:32,390 --> 01:43:30,159
pits around these pyramids you know

2678
01:43:35,030 --> 01:43:32,400
there's boat pits all over the giza

2679
01:43:37,030 --> 01:43:35,040
plateau because they were anticipating a

2680
01:43:38,870 --> 01:43:37,040
flood you know

2681
01:43:41,510 --> 01:43:38,880
this you know so this is the other

2682
01:43:43,669 --> 01:43:41,520
narrative that has come down to us about

2683
01:43:45,750 --> 01:43:43,679
why these from the egyptians themselves

2684
01:43:48,310 --> 01:43:45,760
but you never hear about it because the

2685
01:43:50,149 --> 01:43:48,320
egyptologists they poo poo it they don't

2686
01:43:51,510 --> 01:43:50,159
they think it's you know i'll catch this

2687
01:43:52,629 --> 01:43:51,520
nonsense because we know there were

2688
01:43:54,070 --> 01:43:52,639
tombs

2689
01:43:56,709 --> 01:43:54,080
you know well they may well have been

2690
01:43:58,390 --> 01:43:56,719
used as tombs later but that was

2691
01:44:01,350 --> 01:43:58,400
absolutely not

2692
01:44:03,350 --> 01:44:01,360
the original function of these pyramids

2693
01:44:05,270 --> 01:44:03,360
they may well be used i mean cadillacs

2694
01:44:07,510 --> 01:44:05,280
have been used for burial for goodness

2695
01:44:09,910 --> 01:44:07,520
sake but we can't see a cadillac was

2696
01:44:14,629 --> 01:44:09,920
designed for burial you know how come we

2697
01:44:18,629 --> 01:44:16,709
way up in the mountains i suppose

2698
01:44:19,460 --> 01:44:18,639
because people would die from

2699
01:44:26,470 --> 01:44:19,470
other

2700
01:44:30,709 --> 01:44:28,149
well that's the thing about the pyramid

2701
01:44:31,750 --> 01:44:30,719
design um

2702
01:44:34,149 --> 01:44:31,760
alex

2703
01:44:36,070 --> 01:44:34,159
the inside of a pyramid the temperature

2704
01:44:37,750 --> 01:44:36,080
is stable it doesn't need to be warm it

2705
01:44:39,030 --> 01:44:37,760
doesn't need to be cool as long as it's

2706
01:44:41,430 --> 01:44:39,040
stable

2707
01:44:43,910 --> 01:44:41,440
if the temperature fluctuates that's

2708
01:44:46,709 --> 01:44:43,920
what causes you know seeds to germinate

2709
01:44:49,030 --> 01:44:46,719
it's a fluctuation in temperature not

2710
01:44:51,830 --> 01:44:49,040
the whether it's colder or hot it's a

2711
01:44:53,990 --> 01:44:51,840
fluctuation yeah what's the temperature

2712
01:44:56,870 --> 01:44:54,000
inside the pyramid these days oh

2713
01:44:58,070 --> 01:44:56,880
it's it's it's fairly warm i have to say

2714
01:45:00,070 --> 01:44:58,080
it's

2715
01:45:02,470 --> 01:45:00,080
most seeds will germinate like 28

2716
01:45:03,350 --> 01:45:02,480
degrees celsius they're yeah and they're

2717
01:45:06,390 --> 01:45:03,360
off

2718
01:45:08,790 --> 01:45:06,400
yeah the the thing though nowadays is as

2719
01:45:10,229 --> 01:45:08,800
the pyramids are are open yeah they're

2720
01:45:12,629 --> 01:45:10,239
open to the elements you know the

2721
01:45:15,270 --> 01:45:12,639
passageways are open you know so the the

2722
01:45:16,870 --> 01:45:15,280
conditions inside them you know will be

2723
01:45:18,310 --> 01:45:16,880
um you know

2724
01:45:20,149 --> 01:45:18,320
much much different than they were

2725
01:45:22,229 --> 01:45:20,159
originally and what you find as well

2726
01:45:24,229 --> 01:45:22,239
that the exteriors of the pyramids were

2727
01:45:26,470 --> 01:45:24,239
once pure white

2728
01:45:28,470 --> 01:45:26,480
with this white churro limestone

2729
01:45:30,870 --> 01:45:28,480
cladding and that would reflect a lot of

2730
01:45:33,830 --> 01:45:30,880
the sunlight away

2731
01:45:36,470 --> 01:45:33,840
yeah to keep the the temperature inside

2732
01:45:38,149 --> 01:45:36,480
you know fairly cool you know so

2733
01:45:40,390 --> 01:45:38,159
um

2734
01:45:42,950 --> 01:45:40,400
you know this did the egyptians have any

2735
01:45:45,910 --> 01:45:42,960
sort of like tubing systems to put heat

2736
01:45:49,750 --> 01:45:48,149
sorry i didn't catch that alex

2737
01:45:51,830 --> 01:45:49,760
for the this

2738
01:45:54,709 --> 01:45:51,840
hot balloon theory

2739
01:45:56,070 --> 01:45:54,719
is there any sort of like egyptian tubes

2740
01:45:59,030 --> 01:45:56,080
that they would have put the heat up

2741
01:46:01,189 --> 01:45:59,040
into the balloons with her

2742
01:46:02,709 --> 01:46:01,199
maybe i'm getting us off track here but

2743
01:46:03,580 --> 01:46:02,719
and i'm the one who's drinking scotch

2744
01:46:05,669 --> 01:46:03,590
all night

2745
01:46:08,550 --> 01:46:05,679
[Laughter]

2746
01:46:10,629 --> 01:46:08,560
sorry i didn't quite you've seen

2747
01:46:12,629 --> 01:46:10,639
something to put the heat in the balloon

2748
01:46:14,629 --> 01:46:12,639
apologies scott getting him to speak

2749
01:46:15,750 --> 01:46:14,639
into the microphone clearly and loudly

2750
01:46:17,990 --> 01:46:15,760
is one of the things i've been trying to

2751
01:46:21,669 --> 01:46:18,000
get him to get used to

2752
01:46:26,149 --> 01:46:23,510
well basically they would they would

2753
01:46:29,430 --> 01:46:26,159
have these pets

2754
01:46:31,750 --> 01:46:29,440
which the the obviously the balloon um

2755
01:46:33,430 --> 01:46:31,760
material would go over these deep pits

2756
01:46:36,149 --> 01:46:33,440
and remember these pits are about 20

2757
01:46:38,870 --> 01:46:36,159
feet deep so the fire is well below and

2758
01:46:40,790 --> 01:46:38,880
then that would keep the flame away from

2759
01:46:41,910 --> 01:46:40,800
the material to stop it getting up and

2760
01:46:42,790 --> 01:46:41,920
smoke

2761
01:46:43,750 --> 01:46:42,800
um

2762
01:46:47,030 --> 01:46:43,760
so

2763
01:46:48,870 --> 01:46:47,040
the the other thing about the pyramid

2764
01:46:49,750 --> 01:46:48,880
the other thing is you said alex about

2765
01:46:54,229 --> 01:46:49,760
you know

2766
01:46:57,030 --> 01:46:54,239
mountains that's what we have done in

2767
01:46:59,189 --> 01:46:57,040
svalbard and it's a pretty daft idea

2768
01:47:01,669 --> 01:46:59,199
because if something really does happen

2769
01:47:04,310 --> 01:47:01,679
the only way we can recognize svalbard

2770
01:47:07,350 --> 01:47:04,320
is because of the the entrance way that

2771
01:47:08,629 --> 01:47:07,360
has been made it's a long geometric um

2772
01:47:10,470 --> 01:47:08,639
sort of um

2773
01:47:12,950 --> 01:47:10,480
entrance corridor that they built onto

2774
01:47:16,550 --> 01:47:12,960
this the front of this mountain now that

2775
01:47:18,550 --> 01:47:16,560
it gets covered in a in a rock fall

2776
01:47:20,790 --> 01:47:18,560
yeah and if there's a great earthquake

2777
01:47:22,470 --> 01:47:20,800
snack it's covered in a rock fall you're

2778
01:47:24,629 --> 01:47:22,480
you know if somebody goes there

2779
01:47:27,030 --> 01:47:24,639
to find a place and never see it whereas

2780
01:47:28,870 --> 01:47:27,040
if you make an artificial mountain

2781
01:47:31,109 --> 01:47:28,880
you're going to notice that from miles

2782
01:47:34,550 --> 01:47:31,119
in every direction whereas a natural

2783
01:47:36,709 --> 01:47:34,560
mountain can get lost in the landscape

2784
01:47:39,590 --> 01:47:36,719
you would need you know it can easily

2785
01:47:41,510 --> 01:47:39,600
get lost you know

2786
01:47:43,430 --> 01:47:41,520
whereas if you build

2787
01:47:44,310 --> 01:47:43,440
you know an artificial mountain as i

2788
01:47:46,550 --> 01:47:44,320
said

2789
01:47:49,109 --> 01:47:46,560
you're going to find it pretty easily

2790
01:47:51,669 --> 01:47:49,119
and you know the this is the other silly

2791
01:47:54,550 --> 01:47:51,679
thing about you know the orthodox theory

2792
01:47:56,870 --> 01:47:54,560
these pyramids were supposed to protect

2793
01:47:58,310 --> 01:47:56,880
the king's body and here that here you

2794
01:48:00,550 --> 01:47:58,320
have them you know they can be seen for

2795
01:48:01,270 --> 01:48:00,560
like 50 miles in every direction you

2796
01:48:04,950 --> 01:48:01,280
know

2797
01:48:07,189 --> 01:48:04,960
to every tomb raider in the land here

2798
01:48:09,109 --> 01:48:07,199
guys here's the king's body come and get

2799
01:48:11,830 --> 01:48:09,119
it come and get the treasure you know it

2800
01:48:15,189 --> 01:48:11,840
just makes no sense it's stupid

2801
01:48:17,590 --> 01:48:15,199
not exactly it makes sense

2802
01:48:18,950 --> 01:48:17,600
well well scott

2803
01:48:20,310 --> 01:48:18,960
going to leave it at that just because

2804
01:48:22,709 --> 01:48:20,320
oh my goodness i i'm going to have a

2805
01:48:24,229 --> 01:48:22,719
hard time leverage nature oh it always

2806
01:48:26,470 --> 01:48:24,239
comes back to that for me so anyway you

2807
01:48:27,510 --> 01:48:26,480
have my theory of of why the pyramids

2808
01:48:29,830 --> 01:48:27,520
were built

2809
01:48:31,590 --> 01:48:29,840
yeah and i explained that in my la my

2810
01:48:33,189 --> 01:48:31,600
previous book the secret chamber of

2811
01:48:35,430 --> 01:48:33,199
osiris

2812
01:48:37,910 --> 01:48:35,440
well we'll skype that that's awesome and

2813
01:48:39,910 --> 01:48:37,920
again check scott crichton

2814
01:48:42,390 --> 01:48:39,920
on amazon please do check those books

2815
01:48:44,390 --> 01:48:42,400
out because holy [\h__\h]

2816
01:48:45,910 --> 01:48:44,400
one of the most well researched men on

2817
01:48:48,629 --> 01:48:45,920
the planet when it comes to ancient

2818
01:48:49,750 --> 01:48:48,639
egypt in our time

2819
01:48:50,629 --> 01:48:49,760
and

2820
01:48:52,390 --> 01:48:50,639
yeah

2821
01:48:54,709 --> 01:48:52,400
his latest book is afforded by laird

2822
01:48:56,070 --> 01:48:54,719
scranton who's a good friend of the show

2823
01:48:57,669 --> 01:48:56,080
and i'm going to be reading this book

2824
01:49:00,149 --> 01:48:57,679
all weekend again

2825
01:49:01,750 --> 01:49:00,159
because it is that damn good so scott i

2826
01:49:04,550 --> 01:49:01,760
want to thank you very much for joining

2827
01:49:05,510 --> 01:49:04,560
the show with us today thank you so much

2828
01:49:07,030 --> 01:49:05,520
for

2829
01:49:09,669 --> 01:49:07,040
putting your body through

2830
01:49:11,510 --> 01:49:09,679
the late night uh next time we're on the

2831
01:49:13,109 --> 01:49:11,520
show we will do an afternoon show so

2832
01:49:15,669 --> 01:49:13,119
it's evening for you

2833
01:49:16,629 --> 01:49:15,679
and um

2834
01:49:18,229 --> 01:49:16,639
alex

2835
01:49:19,750 --> 01:49:18,239
do you have anything to add you're

2836
01:49:22,550 --> 01:49:19,760
smiling at me with that beautiful smile

2837
01:49:22,560 --> 01:49:26,149
nothing constructive

2838
01:49:28,950 --> 01:49:27,590
my brain's going on my element and here

2839
01:49:31,669 --> 01:49:28,960
i'm like i'd put the seeds in the

2840
01:49:33,910 --> 01:49:31,679
balloon instead of in a pyramid

2841
01:49:36,550 --> 01:49:33,920
but yeah it's an interesting theory

2842
01:49:38,629 --> 01:49:36,560
yeah well guys it's been a blast i've

2843
01:49:40,950 --> 01:49:38,639
i've enjoyed the show tonight um a good

2844
01:49:42,870 --> 01:49:40,960
couple of hosts and i've had a couple of

2845
01:49:46,229 --> 01:49:42,880
good laughs along the way so that's that

2846
01:49:47,350 --> 01:49:46,239
always makes it um you know much more

2847
01:49:49,430 --> 01:49:47,360
um

2848
01:49:51,430 --> 01:49:49,440
more fun thanks thanks thanks for that

2849
01:49:53,510 --> 01:49:51,440
it's a much it's it's much pleasure and

2850
01:49:55,910 --> 01:49:53,520
again i will uh i will send you a link

2851
01:49:57,750 --> 01:49:55,920
when the uh you when the mp3 is sent out

2852
01:49:59,510 --> 01:49:57,760
and uh we'll uh

2853
01:50:01,109 --> 01:49:59,520
we will talk via email and again if

2854
01:50:02,709 --> 01:50:01,119
you're on facebook

2855
01:50:06,070 --> 01:50:02,719
are you on facebook

2856
01:50:07,750 --> 01:50:06,080
i refuse to join facebook good man

2857
01:50:10,550 --> 01:50:07,760
so i i will send you an email when it's

2858
01:50:11,990 --> 01:50:10,560
sent out and we'll connect that way

2859
01:50:13,270 --> 01:50:12,000
okay

2860
01:50:14,709 --> 01:50:13,280
thank you very much scott have yourself

2861
01:50:16,390 --> 01:50:14,719
a good night thank you scott yeah i'm

2862
01:50:19,910 --> 01:50:16,400
off to bed i'll see you guys sometime

2863
01:50:22,229 --> 01:50:19,920
soon take care pleasure thank you

2864
01:50:24,149 --> 01:50:22,239
okay so i'm going to bring denver in

2865
01:50:26,149 --> 01:50:24,159
here as well like we have like all this

2866
01:50:28,229 --> 01:50:26,159
new music now oh my god we have new

2867
01:50:29,109 --> 01:50:28,239
music on the show and i'm like waving my

2868
01:50:31,430 --> 01:50:29,119
hands

2869
01:50:32,650 --> 01:50:31,440
wait wait wait who do we have we have

2870
01:50:36,830 --> 01:50:32,660
new music now

2871
01:50:38,470 --> 01:50:36,840
[Laughter]

2872
01:50:39,350 --> 01:50:38,480
um

2873
01:50:42,709 --> 01:50:39,360
uh

2874
01:50:46,709 --> 01:50:44,950
it doesn't sound like happy birthday no

2875
01:50:47,750 --> 01:50:46,719
sorry wait wait join the restaurant

2876
01:50:50,149 --> 01:50:47,760
there we go

2877
01:50:54,709 --> 01:50:50,159
so i'm gonna bring uh denver on the show

2878
01:51:00,550 --> 01:50:57,270
this is sandwich making music exactly it

2879
01:51:05,830 --> 01:51:03,430
taking the pastrami out of the deli

2880
01:51:08,070 --> 01:51:05,840
container in your fridge hi people

2881
01:51:09,430 --> 01:51:08,080
so this is the sandwich contest segment

2882
01:51:12,629 --> 01:51:09,440
thank you very much for listening to

2883
01:51:16,310 --> 01:51:13,690
hello denver

2884
01:51:19,669 --> 01:51:16,320
[Music]

2885
01:51:21,510 --> 01:51:19,679
hello hello denver

2886
01:51:23,990 --> 01:51:21,520
hello can you hear me uh i can hear you

2887
01:51:27,510 --> 01:51:24,000
fine we have a fantastic uh new music

2888
01:51:28,950 --> 01:51:27,520
for you actually oh sweet um just uh

2889
01:51:30,790 --> 01:51:28,960
just let you know we're gonna venice

2890
01:51:33,030 --> 01:51:30,800
from a magical egypt 2 joining us for

2891
01:51:35,430 --> 01:51:33,040
this segment

2892
01:51:37,750 --> 01:51:35,440
okay

2893
01:51:39,990 --> 01:51:37,760
um but so i'm waiting for her to to

2894
01:51:42,950 --> 01:51:40,000
bring her in oh i'm waiting to

2895
01:51:45,910 --> 01:51:44,229
hello i'm

2896
01:51:48,550 --> 01:51:45,920
just two people yeah thank you very much

2897
01:51:51,350 --> 01:51:48,560
for joining us on the program um

2898
01:51:55,669 --> 01:51:51,360
we have to do our sandwich segment

2899
01:51:56,709 --> 01:51:55,679
yes yes of course okay perfect so so

2900
01:51:58,950 --> 01:51:56,719
denver

2901
01:51:59,910 --> 01:51:58,960
um this is the sandwich segment now if

2902
01:52:01,189 --> 01:51:59,920
you're wondering what the sandwich

2903
01:52:03,030 --> 01:52:01,199
segment is

2904
01:52:05,669 --> 01:52:03,040
um we have been

2905
01:52:07,430 --> 01:52:05,679
asking our listeners to send us sandwich

2906
01:52:08,470 --> 01:52:07,440
recipes whether it's your tuna fish

2907
01:52:11,189 --> 01:52:08,480
recipes

2908
01:52:13,990 --> 01:52:11,199
your meatball sub recipe your peanut

2909
01:52:16,950 --> 01:52:14,000
butter and jelly sandwich recipe to feed

2910
01:52:19,109 --> 01:52:16,960
our cryptozoologists in the field denver

2911
01:52:21,109 --> 01:52:19,119
[\h__\h] michaels yes ladies and

2912
01:52:23,589 --> 01:52:21,119
gentlemen we want to feed him to make

2913
01:52:27,189 --> 01:52:23,599
sure he is well equipped while he is

2914
01:52:29,669 --> 01:52:27,199
researching bigfoot and mothman and

2915
01:52:31,189 --> 01:52:29,679
chupacabra or whatever else he's doing

2916
01:52:33,030 --> 01:52:31,199
at the time either way

2917
01:52:34,470 --> 01:52:33,040
um this is why we have this amazing

2918
01:52:35,910 --> 01:52:34,480
music

2919
01:52:38,550 --> 01:52:35,920
to be able to

2920
01:52:40,950 --> 01:52:38,560
be able to do this show now we have had

2921
01:52:42,470 --> 01:52:40,960
many of our listeners who have um

2922
01:52:44,709 --> 01:52:42,480
again kevin being one of them kevin

2923
01:52:47,030 --> 01:52:44,719
being another and ellen being another

2924
01:52:49,189 --> 01:52:47,040
entry into uh the

2925
01:52:51,990 --> 01:52:49,199
sandwich contest so send your sandwich

2926
01:52:54,870 --> 01:52:52,000
recipe into info with denivlore.com

2927
01:52:58,950 --> 01:52:54,880
or uh via in you know

2928
01:53:00,870 --> 01:52:58,960
facebook or at um search den of lore

2929
01:53:01,990 --> 01:53:00,880
facebook dental just you can find us for

2930
01:53:05,589 --> 01:53:02,000
easy

2931
01:53:07,189 --> 01:53:05,599
um now now we have a new

2932
01:53:09,830 --> 01:53:07,199
sandwich recipe that was sent in and i

2933
01:53:13,669 --> 01:53:09,840
wanted to ask denver

2934
01:53:17,030 --> 01:53:13,679
what his update on

2935
01:53:22,390 --> 01:53:20,149
okay yeah we got we got an official one

2936
01:53:25,030 --> 01:53:22,400
and there was uh there was another one

2937
01:53:26,149 --> 01:53:25,040
that i uh wrote down from the chat room

2938
01:53:28,229 --> 01:53:26,159
so

2939
01:53:29,430 --> 01:53:28,239
i'll start with the official this was

2940
01:53:33,270 --> 01:53:29,440
from nick

2941
01:53:35,189 --> 01:53:33,280
and it was a classic blt

2942
01:53:37,510 --> 01:53:35,199
with peanut butter

2943
01:53:42,390 --> 01:53:37,520
laid out like this

2944
01:53:43,430 --> 01:53:42,400
red mayo lettuce tomato bacon peanut

2945
01:53:44,870 --> 01:53:43,440
butter

2946
01:53:46,070 --> 01:53:44,880
bread

2947
01:53:48,149 --> 01:53:46,080
so

2948
01:53:52,310 --> 01:53:48,159
as far as this sandwich goes i mean i

2949
01:53:55,030 --> 01:53:52,320
don't love blts because i don't like

2950
01:53:57,750 --> 01:53:55,040
the big soggy ass piece of tomato on

2951
01:53:58,870 --> 01:53:57,760
them it just makes them soggy and gross

2952
01:54:00,310 --> 01:53:58,880
so

2953
01:54:02,470 --> 01:54:00,320
um

2954
01:54:04,709 --> 01:54:02,480
so we'll start with that but yeah i can

2955
01:54:07,189 --> 01:54:04,719
kind of get past that but what really

2956
01:54:09,510 --> 01:54:07,199
messed it up was the peanut butter i

2957
01:54:12,390 --> 01:54:09,520
mean you don't put peanut butter and

2958
01:54:15,109 --> 01:54:12,400
mayonnaise together it's just absolutely

2959
01:54:17,589 --> 01:54:15,119
disgusting so um

2960
01:54:19,350 --> 01:54:17,599
yeah he um so he said in the in the

2961
01:54:21,750 --> 01:54:19,360
email to prepare yourself for

2962
01:54:24,390 --> 01:54:21,760
deliciousness but um i think this

2963
01:54:26,470 --> 01:54:24,400
sandwich was just a troll job um i give

2964
01:54:27,910 --> 01:54:26,480
it a three out of ten

2965
01:54:30,790 --> 01:54:27,920
again this is your fault for saying the

2966
01:54:33,510 --> 01:54:30,800
worst sandwich gets a free book yeah

2967
01:54:35,669 --> 01:54:33,520
yeah i know i i screwed myself over with

2968
01:54:37,350 --> 01:54:35,679
that i was i was trying to be nice but

2969
01:54:39,350 --> 01:54:37,360
uh yeah i'm getting trolled pretty

2970
01:54:42,310 --> 01:54:39,360
heavily denise you cannot enter the

2971
01:54:44,229 --> 01:54:42,320
contest you are part of the staff

2972
01:54:46,950 --> 01:54:44,239
your cucumber and cream cheese sandwich

2973
01:54:49,510 --> 01:54:46,960
is void and null

2974
01:54:52,870 --> 01:54:49,520
magical age of society i'm sorry you're

2975
01:54:55,109 --> 01:54:52,880
like upper echelon here so um

2976
01:54:56,229 --> 01:54:55,119
it's for the sophisticated adventure of

2977
01:54:57,830 --> 01:54:56,239
my love

2978
01:54:59,109 --> 01:54:57,840
oh god

2979
01:55:01,189 --> 01:54:59,119
you have to eat it with your little

2980
01:55:04,550 --> 01:55:01,199
pinky stuck out

2981
01:55:07,030 --> 01:55:04,560
oh my gosh

2982
01:55:09,750 --> 01:55:07,040
there was there was one sandwich that i

2983
01:55:11,430 --> 01:55:09,760
wrote down um

2984
01:55:15,510 --> 01:55:11,440
i don't remember his last week or the

2985
01:55:19,350 --> 01:55:15,520
week before um in the live chat uh jared

2986
01:55:21,270 --> 01:55:19,360
thompson uh had uh avocado

2987
01:55:24,550 --> 01:55:21,280
egg bacon

2988
01:55:27,350 --> 01:55:24,560
and tomato so this sandwich

2989
01:55:29,589 --> 01:55:27,360
this is really good this is um this is a

2990
01:55:32,790 --> 01:55:29,599
lot of the ingredients that i love i

2991
01:55:34,149 --> 01:55:32,800
love avocado i love eggs i love bacon

2992
01:55:37,270 --> 01:55:34,159
so um

2993
01:55:38,310 --> 01:55:37,280
this sandwich probably could have been a

2994
01:55:41,589 --> 01:55:38,320
nine

2995
01:55:44,390 --> 01:55:41,599
but i don't like soggy ass pieces of

2996
01:55:47,109 --> 01:55:44,400
tomato on my sandwich so i gave it an

2997
01:55:50,950 --> 01:55:47,119
8.5

2998
01:55:55,109 --> 01:55:52,870
you know a big old piece of tomato just

2999
01:55:59,109 --> 01:55:55,119
it just ruins a hamburger or sandwich i

3000
01:56:01,750 --> 01:56:00,470
well you know that's good to know so

3001
01:56:03,510 --> 01:56:01,760
okay so who's

3002
01:56:05,430 --> 01:56:03,520
give me the top two

3003
01:56:06,229 --> 01:56:05,440
and the last place right now as far as

3004
01:56:07,990 --> 01:56:06,239
who

3005
01:56:10,070 --> 01:56:08,000
is because i'm getting slammed in

3006
01:56:11,589 --> 01:56:10,080
youtube chat and oh my god they they

3007
01:56:14,390 --> 01:56:11,599
want to know what they're like i want a

3008
01:56:18,390 --> 01:56:14,400
little sandwiches like what's going on

3009
01:56:19,270 --> 01:56:18,400
ellen still has firm uh a firm hold of

3010
01:56:23,350 --> 01:56:19,280
um

3011
01:56:26,310 --> 01:56:23,360
last place so ellen is still in last

3012
01:56:28,629 --> 01:56:26,320
um kevin from nebraska with the buffalo

3013
01:56:29,990 --> 01:56:28,639
chicken grilled cheese is still in the

3014
01:56:33,990 --> 01:56:30,000
lead

3015
01:56:37,109 --> 01:56:34,000
and the second place sandwich is a tie

3016
01:56:39,669 --> 01:56:37,119
between um kevin from the is kevin

3017
01:56:42,870 --> 01:56:39,679
stevens i think kevin from the uk with

3018
01:56:45,350 --> 01:56:42,880
his homemade jam and peanut butter

3019
01:56:48,229 --> 01:56:45,360
and uh jared thompson's sandwich that i

3020
01:56:50,550 --> 01:56:48,239
just mentioned just now the avocado

3021
01:56:53,109 --> 01:56:50,560
egg and bacon i have to say that jared

3022
01:56:55,350 --> 01:56:53,119
thompson is like traveling all over the

3023
01:56:57,589 --> 01:56:55,360
southern eu like the south america right

3024
01:56:59,270 --> 01:56:57,599
now i do not know where he is on on a

3025
01:57:02,070 --> 01:56:59,280
constant basis now

3026
01:57:04,550 --> 01:57:02,080
jared i talk to you on a regular basis

3027
01:57:05,990 --> 01:57:04,560
if you win in the top two like you have

3028
01:57:08,070 --> 01:57:06,000
to tell me where to send these books

3029
01:57:10,070 --> 01:57:08,080
because you could be anywhere and the

3030
01:57:11,830 --> 01:57:10,080
pictures i'm getting from you is like

3031
01:57:13,430 --> 01:57:11,840
[\h__\h] delicious food in tropical

3032
01:57:15,030 --> 01:57:13,440
places you lucky son of a [\h__\h] because

3033
01:57:17,830 --> 01:57:15,040
i've been dealing with snow for like the

3034
01:57:18,790 --> 01:57:17,840
last two months i'm very angry actually

3035
01:57:22,070 --> 01:57:18,800
because

3036
01:57:24,629 --> 01:57:22,080
we've had shitty snow here it's bad

3037
01:57:27,030 --> 01:57:24,639
this music is i'm sorry this music is so

3038
01:57:29,270 --> 01:57:27,040
fitting it's awesome i'm i'm laughing

3039
01:57:31,750 --> 01:57:29,280
too hard here

3040
01:57:33,189 --> 01:57:31,760
sorry continuing okay so fantastic so um

3041
01:57:37,030 --> 01:57:33,199
ladies and gentlemen

3042
01:57:39,360 --> 01:57:37,040
this contest is going to run until

3043
01:57:42,310 --> 01:57:39,370
we have a final date now

3044
01:57:44,709 --> 01:57:42,320
[Music]

3045
01:57:46,470 --> 01:57:44,719
go on i'm sorry that music is just too

3046
01:57:47,669 --> 01:57:46,480
good

3047
01:57:49,589 --> 01:57:47,679
um

3048
01:57:53,270 --> 01:57:49,599
we are running the last me the last

3049
01:57:56,470 --> 01:57:53,280
contest is going to be

3050
01:58:00,390 --> 01:57:56,480
stop playing piano please

3051
01:58:02,390 --> 01:58:00,400
may 25th 2017 that is our last episode

3052
01:58:04,550 --> 01:58:02,400
so the date closes

3053
01:58:08,390 --> 01:58:04,560
um i i will i will take entries until

3054
01:58:10,790 --> 01:58:08,400
june 2nd after june sorry

3055
01:58:12,950 --> 01:58:10,800
just it's one day june 2nd like [\h__\h]

3056
01:58:14,310 --> 01:58:12,960
june 2nd we will announce on june 8th

3057
01:58:15,750 --> 01:58:14,320
june 8th

3058
01:58:17,030 --> 01:58:15,760
is our sandwich

3059
01:58:18,470 --> 01:58:17,040
sammich

3060
01:58:21,030 --> 01:58:18,480
date i'm putting the calendar now we're

3061
01:58:22,950 --> 01:58:21,040
gonna need some photos from denver at

3062
01:58:23,669 --> 01:58:22,960
some point he puts the videos on twitter

3063
01:58:25,910 --> 01:58:23,679
you don't you're gonna follow the

3064
01:58:28,310 --> 01:58:25,920
twitter yeah i've kind of slacked up on

3065
01:58:30,310 --> 01:58:28,320
the photos i've been very busy here

3066
01:58:33,030 --> 01:58:30,320
lately been taking the kids on some

3067
01:58:35,430 --> 01:58:33,040
college tours and things like that so

3068
01:58:37,109 --> 01:58:35,440
i've not had hardly any free time but

3069
01:58:39,109 --> 01:58:37,119
yeah as soon as i got a little bit of

3070
01:58:40,149 --> 01:58:39,119
free time i'll post some pictures on

3071
01:58:41,750 --> 01:58:40,159
twitter

3072
01:58:43,109 --> 01:58:41,760
and denver we very much appreciate you

3073
01:58:44,550 --> 01:58:43,119
being a very good sport about this

3074
01:58:46,830 --> 01:58:44,560
entire thing

3075
01:58:50,070 --> 01:58:46,840
um

3076
01:58:53,830 --> 01:58:50,080
it's probably the most unique contest

3077
01:58:59,510 --> 01:58:56,950
um next year chili contest oh sh oh no

3078
01:59:01,430 --> 01:58:59,520
god no i will beat you all i swear to

3079
01:59:03,030 --> 01:59:01,440
god i really like this ghost pepper

3080
01:59:04,950 --> 01:59:03,040
chili con like [\h__\h] that i'm going to

3081
01:59:06,629 --> 01:59:04,960
bring to lodge next week we have it like

3082
01:59:07,750 --> 01:59:06,639
a chili cookie jennifer's going to just

3083
01:59:10,150 --> 01:59:07,760
it's not going to be able to pick up

3084
01:59:11,910 --> 01:59:10,160
skype he's going to be in the washroom

3085
01:59:14,470 --> 01:59:11,920
[Laughter]

3086
01:59:15,830 --> 01:59:14,480
like oh guys sorry yeah no no that's

3087
01:59:19,109 --> 01:59:15,840
fine go on sasquatch

3088
01:59:21,750 --> 01:59:19,119
[Laughter]

3089
01:59:24,229 --> 01:59:21,760
um now it one thing is that i do notice

3090
01:59:26,470 --> 01:59:24,239
is that uh your book was released uh on

3091
01:59:28,709 --> 01:59:26,480
the beginning of month

3092
01:59:30,629 --> 01:59:28,719
right now i i've i've started to read

3093
01:59:33,589 --> 01:59:30,639
the book and i've given my mother the

3094
01:59:35,270 --> 01:59:33,599
book and actually kevin from nebraska

3095
01:59:37,109 --> 01:59:35,280
you um

3096
01:59:39,910 --> 01:59:37,119
jumped the gun son of a gun he got his

3097
01:59:42,390 --> 01:59:39,920
hard copy already

3098
01:59:44,390 --> 01:59:42,400
and now he wants a signed copy

3099
01:59:45,190 --> 01:59:44,400
but at the same time that shows that a

3100
01:59:46,790 --> 01:59:45,200
[\h__\h] occasion

3101
01:59:49,589 --> 01:59:46,800
[Music]

3102
01:59:51,830 --> 01:59:49,599
yeah i was really really uh really

3103
01:59:54,550 --> 01:59:51,840
pleased that uh you know with the with

3104
01:59:56,950 --> 01:59:54,560
the support i've got so i'm really happy

3105
01:59:59,510 --> 01:59:56,960
and i i hope that uh you know people

3106
02:00:02,070 --> 01:59:59,520
check it out and hopefully they like it

3107
02:00:03,350 --> 02:00:02,080
well you know i like it so far and as my

3108
02:00:05,189 --> 02:00:03,360
mom always says

3109
02:00:06,790 --> 02:00:05,199
have that done for michael's boy on more

3110
02:00:09,589 --> 02:00:06,800
often because his voice is just so

3111
02:00:11,830 --> 02:00:09,599
goddamn smooth the book after this book

3112
02:00:13,430 --> 02:00:11,840
will be a book of sandwiches if you were

3113
02:00:16,149 --> 02:00:13,440
not audi like if you're not narrating

3114
02:00:17,990 --> 02:00:16,159
your own audiobook i'll be very angry

3115
02:00:20,709 --> 02:00:18,000
very angry

3116
02:00:22,470 --> 02:00:20,719
yeah maybe someday

3117
02:00:24,149 --> 02:00:22,480
well you know if you come to canada we

3118
02:00:26,470 --> 02:00:24,159
have an entire recording studio right

3119
02:00:28,629 --> 02:00:26,480
here in the den of lore

3120
02:00:30,550 --> 02:00:28,639
yeah it's a couple minute drive from my

3121
02:00:32,470 --> 02:00:30,560
house oh [\h__\h]

3122
02:00:34,390 --> 02:00:32,480
well you never know you never know you

3123
02:00:37,270 --> 02:00:34,400
never know um

3124
02:00:39,669 --> 02:00:37,280
we've got okay good enough so

3125
02:00:43,669 --> 02:00:39,679
send your sandwich recipes into info den

3126
02:00:47,350 --> 02:00:43,679
of lore dot com info den of lore dot com

3127
02:00:52,149 --> 02:00:47,360
or at just tweet us at den of lore

3128
02:00:53,669 --> 02:00:52,159
or at facebook at den of lore or on

3129
02:00:56,790 --> 02:00:53,679
anywhere at den denver pretty much just

3130
02:00:58,390 --> 02:00:56,800
search den of lore send us a message

3131
02:01:00,310 --> 02:00:58,400
throw a rock through our window we're

3132
02:01:02,390 --> 02:01:00,320
good just give us that sandwich recipe

3133
02:01:04,950 --> 02:01:02,400
so we can get you some free [\h__\h]

3134
02:01:07,830 --> 02:01:04,960
because denver needs to feed

3135
02:01:09,589 --> 02:01:07,840
while out on the well out on the farm

3136
02:01:12,070 --> 02:01:09,599
searching for

3137
02:01:14,709 --> 02:01:12,080
i'm trying to find words that that rhyme

3138
02:01:15,589 --> 02:01:14,719
it's my birthday i'm drunk so sue me

3139
02:01:17,589 --> 02:01:15,599
um

3140
02:01:21,510 --> 02:01:17,599
denver needs food so that he can get us

3141
02:01:23,270 --> 02:01:21,520
this those sasquatch photos those

3142
02:01:26,070 --> 02:01:23,280
mothman photos

3143
02:01:29,750 --> 02:01:26,080
those water monster photos send your

3144
02:01:32,790 --> 02:01:29,760
sandwich recipes into thedenovlor.com

3145
02:01:33,990 --> 02:01:32,800
also send him a 4k camera

3146
02:01:35,350 --> 02:01:34,000
that yeah

3147
02:01:37,350 --> 02:01:35,360
that'll be good

3148
02:01:39,189 --> 02:01:37,360
would a 4k camera help you the future is

3149
02:01:41,350 --> 02:01:39,199
now

3150
02:01:43,750 --> 02:01:41,360
when we help him solve enough books

3151
02:01:47,350 --> 02:01:43,760
he'll have a 4k camera

3152
02:01:49,669 --> 02:01:47,360
and it'll be a win-win oh my god

3153
02:01:52,310 --> 02:01:49,679
denver you've been a fantastic sport on

3154
02:01:54,310 --> 02:01:52,320
this episode thank you very much

3155
02:01:55,750 --> 02:01:54,320
uh for our current entries uh again

3156
02:01:58,550 --> 02:01:55,760
we've got another month and a half for a

3157
02:02:00,790 --> 02:01:58,560
bit or to left until we

3158
02:02:03,430 --> 02:02:00,800
announce the winner but still send your

3159
02:02:05,589 --> 02:02:03,440
recipe into infodenovlor.com

3160
02:02:07,910 --> 02:02:05,599
so we can get you some free [\h__\h]

3161
02:02:09,430 --> 02:02:07,920
and we're gonna talk magical egypt too

3162
02:02:11,750 --> 02:02:09,440
in just a second at denver if you want

3163
02:02:13,510 --> 02:02:11,760
to stay on the line venice my love are

3164
02:02:15,830 --> 02:02:13,520
you still there

3165
02:02:18,550 --> 02:02:15,840
yes i am my dear and i am willing to

3166
02:02:20,070 --> 02:02:18,560
give away a free magical egypt 2 episode

3167
02:02:22,149 --> 02:02:20,080
1 for the best

3168
02:02:23,590 --> 02:02:22,159
cocktail recipe

3169
02:02:25,990 --> 02:02:23,600
holy [\h__\h]

3170
02:02:27,990 --> 02:02:26,000
[Laughter]

3171
02:02:30,229 --> 02:02:28,000
yes indeed i am we're a big fan of

3172
02:02:32,790 --> 02:02:30,239
cocktails over here at the magical egypt

3173
02:02:35,189 --> 02:02:32,800
headquarters okay so so you grab a uh a

3174
02:02:38,870 --> 02:02:35,199
glenn cairn or any glass really uh you

3175
02:02:41,109 --> 02:02:38,880
put some some ice in it and um

3176
02:02:43,430 --> 02:02:41,119
some space slide usually glenfiddich 14

3177
02:02:45,589 --> 02:02:43,440
15 maybe 18 year if you really want to

3178
02:02:47,830 --> 02:02:45,599
splurge and there's your cocktail it's

3179
02:02:49,589 --> 02:02:47,840
fine i've got one for you i've got one

3180
02:02:51,589 --> 02:02:49,599
for you are you ready

3181
02:02:53,350 --> 02:02:51,599
i think a cocktail requires more than

3182
02:02:55,669 --> 02:02:53,360
one ingredient

3183
02:02:58,470 --> 02:02:55,679
for it to qualify i've got one it's

3184
02:03:00,390 --> 02:02:58,480
called the british sunburn

3185
02:03:02,709 --> 02:03:00,400
all right what's that darling you mix

3186
02:03:04,950 --> 02:03:02,719
gin with malibu rum

3187
02:03:08,310 --> 02:03:04,960
and about a 50 50 ratio

3188
02:03:11,990 --> 02:03:08,320
and it's gonna taste like sunscreen

3189
02:03:13,750 --> 02:03:12,000
um chance might actually uh give you two

3190
02:03:15,350 --> 02:03:13,760
thumbs up for that because gin and

3191
02:03:17,430 --> 02:03:15,360
malibu are two of his favorite

3192
02:03:20,070 --> 02:03:17,440
ingredients

3193
02:03:23,750 --> 02:03:21,990
no but it's it's a weird combo it's a

3194
02:03:26,149 --> 02:03:23,760
weird combo okay

3195
02:03:28,149 --> 02:03:26,159
for for chance this is one thing send

3196
02:03:30,310 --> 02:03:28,159
him a message is that i am actually

3197
02:03:31,669 --> 02:03:30,320
going to be doing a full okay because i

3198
02:03:34,229 --> 02:03:31,679
know the last time we did like a magical

3199
02:03:36,229 --> 02:03:34,239
egypt um fight companion we got like

3200
02:03:38,470 --> 02:03:36,239
five minutes into one and then it was

3201
02:03:41,189 --> 02:03:38,480
well randall carlson took over

3202
02:03:44,470 --> 02:03:41,199
a lot of us were drunk or stoned or what

3203
02:03:46,470 --> 02:03:44,480
have you or again i well i was on scotch

3204
02:03:48,870 --> 02:03:46,480
and

3205
02:03:50,950 --> 02:03:48,880
it was yeah but indeed so i would like

3206
02:03:53,510 --> 02:03:50,960
to be able to get him to kind of do like

3207
02:03:55,910 --> 02:03:53,520
a lunch and learn like italy or evening

3208
02:03:58,950 --> 02:03:55,920
and dinner and learn let him know that i

3209
02:04:02,310 --> 02:03:58,960
would like him on board for narrating

3210
02:04:04,070 --> 02:04:02,320
like a kind of a a magical egypt

3211
02:04:06,149 --> 02:04:04,080
you know to be able to help support the

3212
02:04:09,270 --> 02:04:06,159
program to be able to support the new

3213
02:04:11,830 --> 02:04:09,280
release of matrilegia 2. it's available

3214
02:04:14,629 --> 02:04:11,840
soon go check out magic legion

3215
02:04:16,870 --> 02:04:14,639
sunday my love oh my god easter sunday

3216
02:04:19,990 --> 02:04:16,880
it was finally actually bringing it to

3217
02:04:23,270 --> 02:04:20,000
fruition which is just a miracle as far

3218
02:04:25,350 --> 02:04:23,280
as i'm concerned so yes very very soon

3219
02:04:27,750 --> 02:04:25,360
indeed

3220
02:04:29,750 --> 02:04:27,760
well let him know that um um whenever

3221
02:04:31,669 --> 02:04:29,760
he's available i i would like to be able

3222
02:04:33,910 --> 02:04:31,679
to talk to him because

3223
02:04:36,470 --> 02:04:33,920
it's one thing to be able to like do a

3224
02:04:39,830 --> 02:04:36,480
magical egypt style

3225
02:04:42,070 --> 02:04:39,840
narration but having the man who did

3226
02:04:42,870 --> 02:04:42,080
the actual compilation of it

3227
02:04:43,990 --> 02:04:42,880
is

3228
02:04:46,550 --> 02:04:44,000
like that that that's just kind of like

3229
02:04:48,629 --> 02:04:46,560
a dream come true like that's

3230
02:04:51,030 --> 02:04:48,639
like i'm saying he would love that he

3231
02:04:54,550 --> 02:04:51,040
would absolutely love that i'm sure and

3232
02:04:57,189 --> 02:04:54,560
um it's you know it's uh something that

3233
02:04:59,910 --> 02:04:57,199
is very very dear to his heart and

3234
02:05:02,229 --> 02:04:59,920
he is very very passionate about it so i

3235
02:05:04,830 --> 02:05:02,239
can't imagine anything more fun than him

3236
02:05:06,790 --> 02:05:04,840
and i know these new this new series in

3237
02:05:08,870 --> 02:05:06,800
particular um

3238
02:05:11,030 --> 02:05:08,880
is something you know the i mean

3239
02:05:12,229 --> 02:05:11,040
of course the old series was 15 years

3240
02:05:13,189 --> 02:05:12,239
ago and

3241
02:05:15,510 --> 02:05:13,199
um

3242
02:05:18,070 --> 02:05:15,520
it was an amazing thing it was really a

3243
02:05:19,910 --> 02:05:18,080
kind of a paradigm shifting effort

3244
02:05:23,109 --> 02:05:19,920
really when you look back at the history

3245
02:05:24,310 --> 02:05:23,119
of kind of egyptian documentaries but

3246
02:05:28,310 --> 02:05:24,320
this one

3247
02:05:29,910 --> 02:05:28,320
um 15 years more further on with his

3248
02:05:31,830 --> 02:05:29,920
research that he's been doing into the

3249
02:05:33,270 --> 02:05:31,840
art and the things that he's been able

3250
02:05:36,390 --> 02:05:33,280
to find and the people that he's been

3251
02:05:39,270 --> 02:05:36,400
collaborating with um it really is i

3252
02:05:41,350 --> 02:05:39,280
can't wait to unleash it on the world

3253
02:05:43,510 --> 02:05:41,360
it really is going to be very very

3254
02:05:44,229 --> 02:05:43,520
exciting darling

3255
02:05:46,470 --> 02:05:44,239
and

3256
02:05:48,709 --> 02:05:46,480
we're eagerly awaiting so again for all

3257
02:05:50,390 --> 02:05:48,719
the individuals watching at home

3258
02:05:52,470 --> 02:05:50,400
um i'm very bad at this whole like

3259
02:05:54,629 --> 02:05:52,480
camera thing so i'm going somewhere so

3260
02:05:57,669 --> 02:05:54,639
wait wait right over here okay so you

3261
02:05:59,430 --> 02:05:57,679
see this here it says save ten percent

3262
02:06:02,470 --> 02:05:59,440
magic range of two

3263
02:06:05,669 --> 02:06:02,480
forward slash

3264
02:06:09,270 --> 02:06:05,679
any fans of den of law will give you 10

3265
02:06:11,510 --> 02:06:09,280
off if you mention the keyword scotch

3266
02:06:13,910 --> 02:06:11,520
and you can buy it as a one-off you can

3267
02:06:16,149 --> 02:06:13,920
buy the whole series you can buy

3268
02:06:18,709 --> 02:06:16,159
uh you know just a dvd or a digital

3269
02:06:20,629 --> 02:06:18,719
download and stream it but yes because

3270
02:06:22,709 --> 02:06:20,639
you guys have supported us so much and

3271
02:06:25,510 --> 02:06:22,719
you've interviewed so many of our people

3272
02:06:30,470 --> 02:06:25,520
we want to support your listeners with a

3273
02:06:33,589 --> 02:06:30,480
10 percent off coupon absolutely my love

3274
02:06:36,310 --> 02:06:33,599
and venice you are probably one of the

3275
02:06:38,229 --> 02:06:36,320
most adorable amazing loving people that

3276
02:06:39,669 --> 02:06:38,239
have we've ever had in the show

3277
02:06:41,669 --> 02:06:39,679
and you've been such a big supporter of

3278
02:06:43,350 --> 02:06:41,679
us and we thank you very much it is like

3279
02:06:45,750 --> 02:06:43,360
honestly it's like from from somebody

3280
02:06:47,589 --> 02:06:45,760
who got into this as just like i'm gonna

3281
02:06:49,669 --> 02:06:47,599
start a podcast and it's like i'm

3282
02:06:50,950 --> 02:06:49,679
talking to venice from [\h__\h] magical

3283
02:06:53,270 --> 02:06:50,960
egypt too

3284
02:06:55,830 --> 02:06:53,280
it's like this is awesome but you are

3285
02:06:57,830 --> 02:06:55,840
one of the kindest most gentle people

3286
02:07:00,950 --> 02:06:57,840
i've ever met my entire life and we are

3287
02:07:02,790 --> 02:07:00,960
so glad to support you and j chance's

3288
02:07:05,270 --> 02:07:02,800
efforts and john anthony west and

3289
02:07:06,790 --> 02:07:05,280
everybody because everyone it's it's an

3290
02:07:09,510 --> 02:07:06,800
amazing community

3291
02:07:12,149 --> 02:07:09,520
it is it is sweetheart and honestly what

3292
02:07:15,109 --> 02:07:12,159
you're doing really is so wonderful and

3293
02:07:17,589 --> 02:07:15,119
i have to say i've so much enjoyed you

3294
02:07:19,990 --> 02:07:17,599
know your podcast and and look this is a

3295
02:07:22,390 --> 02:07:20,000
really interesting space because we have

3296
02:07:24,870 --> 02:07:22,400
everything from kind of uh you know

3297
02:07:26,870 --> 02:07:24,880
really legitimate researchers to people

3298
02:07:29,830 --> 02:07:26,880
that kind of come into this space with

3299
02:07:31,910 --> 02:07:29,840
these fantastic like ridiculous you know

3300
02:07:34,149 --> 02:07:31,920
ideas and and

3301
02:07:36,470 --> 02:07:34,159
to have a group like yourselves that are

3302
02:07:38,709 --> 02:07:36,480
discriminating you know and that

3303
02:07:40,550 --> 02:07:38,719
actually ask the hard questions and pick

3304
02:07:42,629 --> 02:07:40,560
guests that really have quality

3305
02:07:45,189 --> 02:07:42,639
information to share is really something

3306
02:07:47,270 --> 02:07:45,199
that is very worthwhile in this space

3307
02:07:48,229 --> 02:07:47,280
and so anything i can do to support you

3308
02:07:50,790 --> 02:07:48,239
as well

3309
02:07:52,870 --> 02:07:50,800
um you know i will because i i think

3310
02:07:55,270 --> 02:07:52,880
that you guys have your head screwed on

3311
02:07:58,069 --> 02:07:55,280
the right way and you know the

3312
02:07:59,669 --> 02:07:58,079
discernment and and the quality of

3313
02:08:02,149 --> 02:07:59,679
information that you're delivering is

3314
02:08:04,550 --> 02:08:02,159
really valuable to our space so thank

3315
02:08:10,140 --> 02:08:04,560
you for your service and i will support

3316
02:08:10,150 --> 02:08:16,870
[Laughter]

3317
02:08:19,109 --> 02:08:18,069
anything could happen to the dead of

3318
02:08:21,109 --> 02:08:19,119
lore

3319
02:08:23,189 --> 02:08:21,119
ladies and gentlemen thank you very much

3320
02:08:25,750 --> 02:08:23,199
for tuning in i'm you know we actually

3321
02:08:27,189 --> 02:08:25,760
have new uh outro music so um

3322
02:08:28,870 --> 02:08:27,199
let me let me go through the list here

3323
02:08:30,709 --> 02:08:28,880
so i've got um

3324
02:08:32,709 --> 02:08:30,719
join the restaurant so what's playing

3325
02:08:37,109 --> 02:08:32,719
right now

3326
02:08:40,470 --> 02:08:37,119
uh we have the minutes a moment

3327
02:08:43,270 --> 02:08:41,830
knowledge what was the one you put on

3328
02:08:45,589 --> 02:08:43,280
right before this one

3329
02:08:46,550 --> 02:08:45,599
that was the minutes let's do that okay

3330
02:08:48,069 --> 02:08:46,560
so i'm gonna play the minutes of the

3331
02:08:51,350 --> 02:08:48,079
outro song let me just like fade this

3332
02:08:57,669 --> 02:08:53,589
denver you have

3333
02:09:02,149 --> 02:09:00,069
okay here we go uh no that's the wrong

3334
02:09:06,310 --> 02:09:02,159
one yeah there we go nope wrong one

3335
02:09:09,830 --> 02:09:07,750
okay ladies and gentlemen thank you for

3336
02:09:12,069 --> 02:09:09,840
listening to the den of lore

3337
02:09:15,109 --> 02:09:12,079
i am your host chris george zuger and

3338
02:09:16,550 --> 02:09:15,119
across the table for me is big sexy alex

3339
02:09:17,990 --> 02:09:16,560
you're gonna take this clown out for his

3340
02:09:20,229 --> 02:09:18,000
birthday so we're gonna have to let you

3341
02:09:24,870 --> 02:09:20,239
people go but tune in next week tonight

3342
02:09:29,669 --> 02:09:27,430
thank you very much for uh to uh uh and

3343
02:09:30,550 --> 02:09:29,679
mercury lounge for hosting my birthday

3344
02:09:32,390 --> 02:09:30,560
party

3345
02:09:33,589 --> 02:09:32,400
oh [\h__\h] you have

3346
02:09:34,790 --> 02:09:33,599
there's a reason why they call it mister

3347
02:09:37,030 --> 02:09:34,800
friday night

3348
02:09:38,629 --> 02:09:37,040
but it's thursday night so we'll we'll

3349
02:09:40,709 --> 02:09:38,639
we'll segue that

3350
02:09:42,310 --> 02:09:40,719
a day earlier but either way

3351
02:09:44,229 --> 02:09:42,320
ladies and gentlemen thank you very much

3352
02:09:45,990 --> 02:09:44,239
to scott creighton for being an amazing

3353
02:09:48,390 --> 02:09:46,000
guest

3354
02:09:49,350 --> 02:09:48,400
denver for being an awesome [\h__\h] guy

3355
02:09:50,950 --> 02:09:49,360
because

3356
02:09:53,589 --> 02:09:50,960
denver's an awesome [\h__\h] guy and for

3357
02:09:55,990 --> 02:09:53,599
phineas for helping us out and being as

3358
02:09:59,430 --> 02:09:56,000
amazing as she is

3359
02:10:01,990 --> 02:09:59,440
to elle mccurdy to wayne to

3360
02:10:04,709 --> 02:10:02,000
doug you are all of our you know

3361
02:10:07,189 --> 02:10:04,719
supporters and for you know kevin

3362
02:10:10,310 --> 02:10:08,550
for everyone out there who listens to

3363
02:10:11,990 --> 02:10:10,320
the show we do the show because you love

3364
02:10:13,189 --> 02:10:12,000
it and because we love to [\h__\h] bring

3365
02:10:15,189 --> 02:10:13,199
it to you

3366
02:10:17,189 --> 02:10:15,199
and i want to say thank you very much

3367
02:10:19,430 --> 02:10:17,199
for listening to the den of lore and for

3368
02:10:21,430 --> 02:10:19,440
making this the most [\h__\h] fun show to

3369
02:10:22,709 --> 02:10:21,440
do on the planet

3370
02:10:24,709 --> 02:10:22,719
chill out

3371
02:10:26,830 --> 02:10:24,719
drink some [\h__\h] scotch

3372
02:10:30,690 --> 02:10:26,840
have some

3373
02:12:06,140 --> 02:10:30,700
vape and enjoy